Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

[redsk1]

Brunell is not going to take us to a SB. That is clear. He can't make plays. He can't make things happen. He looked real slow out there.

I'm not sure benching him right now is the answer. We've got a shot at 2 W's in a row. Maybe...

Looks bad right now.

[gibbsisgod]

...and to anybody who thinks we are overreacting because its only been 2 games, you are fooling yourself. MB might not make alot of mental mistakes but he sure doesn't do anything to win games either. The redskins are in serious trouble right now. If this offense takes so long to grasp, what purpose does it serve to have a 36 year old guy playing qb? he isn't our future so all you are accomplishing at this point is delaying the inevitable. It would make more sense to me to play JC now so he can get the experience. You never really know how he will react until he get some real playing time in a real game. I appriciate what MB did last year but it is clear that the QB in this scheme needs to make plays and he just does not have what it takes anymore.

[Hog1]

To those of you that think a quarterback change is a good thing, and will enhance our chances of SB apearance? Will improve the quality of play from the other 52 guys who sucked? Las Vegas was built using the money of people who thought like that and were willing to give it away so easlily. Brunell didn't lose the game. he sucked, but he had a lot of company. If we change, we can probably right off this year. it's to early to pull the trigger on a QB change. Put Todd in and.................what? There is a reason why he rides the pine. Put in JC....with our protection...........he becomes David Carr

[FRPLG]

I have riden the Brunell band wagon for a while. Ever since Gibbs put in him in when Ramsey was "injured". But the excuses are really drying up here.

We don't throw donwfield. When you don't throw downfield then they can move Safeties and LBs up and or blitz them to create free pressure. Once this happens Brunell seems either a) happy to throw it away or b) unable to make a good throw.

Now the reason we don't throw down field? A combo of bad pass protection and a CLEAR lack of confidence in Brunell's ability to do so. Either by himself or coaches.

My reasons for considering Campbell.
-At least he offers some athletic ability. He can maybe avoid pressure better.
- He has a better arm and can clearly throw downfield.

The guy has been around over a year. He understands football. I think the argument that it would be bad for him is over-rated. I am close to thinking it is really time for the Campbell era to begin.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I said give him a few more weeks. unfortunately, he's our best QB right now. I wouldn't start Campbell until we're out of playoff contention.

On a side note: I go crazy every time I see brunell throw the ball away before it's necessary. On the rare occasion he gets pass protection, he is jumpy and too quick to throw the ball away

[gibbsisgod]

I respect everybody's opinion but I think you are dead wrong Hog1. The season is lost anyways if we leave MB in at QB. I think we need to change simply because nobody respects MB anymore. He cant make any of the throws that we need him to make.Do you really believe he can lead us to a winning season? Its time to sink or swim with JC instead of just sink with MB. He consistently throws for less than 200 yards, and cant get the ball in the hands of our playmakers. Defenses can just sit in deep zones and make brunell take the checkdowns time after time because he has no arm strength. JC might not be the answer but to leave MB as the starting qb at this point is ridicoulous. We know MB cant get the job done so we leave him in there because we are not sure of JC? We need to find out NOW if JC is the guy or not. what do you suggest? Leave MB in until the season is completly lost or give the young guy a shot and maybe salvage the season? Brunell probably wont be here next year anyways so I don't understand why anyone would want to keep delaying the inevitable.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

I respect everybody's opinion but I think you are dead wrong Hog1. The season is lost anyways if we leave MB in at QB. I think we need to change simply because nobody respects MB anymore. He cant make any of the throws that we need him to make.Do you really believe he can lead us to a winning season? Its time to sink or swim with JC instead of just sink with MB. He consistently throws for less than 200 yards, and cant get the ball in the hands of our playmakers. Defenses can just sit in deep zones and make brunell take the checkdowns time after time because he has no arm strength. JC might not be the answer but to leave MB as the starting qb at this point is ridicoulous. We know MB cant get the job done so we leave him in there because we are not sure of JC? We need to find out NOW if JC is the guy or not. what do you suggest? Leave MB in until the season is completly lost or give the young guy a shot and maybe salvage the season? Brunell probably wont be here next year anyways so I don't understand why anyone would want to keep delaying the inevitable.

Well, Many people said the same thing about Brunell last season. You don't have to throw 80 yards to win the SB in this league. Regarding winning seasons, he gives us our ONLY shot this year. If we change QB's now, we are done. Like it or not, with Brunell, we have our best chance. He must have some protection. He (like most QB's) have little chance when running all over the field to evade tacklers. He didn't cause a dozen penalties. He didn't fail to control, the Cowboys O in critical situations. To state that nobody respects Brunell is ridiculous, and the season is lost????? Come on, it's two games. Terrible start, but hardly a season. If you blame him for this.......situation, then it is only fair to praise him for his direction of the team to a 10-6 last year. Don't be confused that I advocate Brunell as a..........closet Montana. he is what we got until JC comes of age. As many have already stated, we don't need to make him a David Carr behind our NO-line. I, like the rest in Skins land am a pissed off SOB, but to make a foolish, emotional snap decision makes a potential losing season into a guarantee. We don't want to kill JC bringing him in now. Todd ain't it. WE don't want to do the Spurrier rotating QB either

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Well, Many people said the same thing about Brunell last season. You don't have to throw 80 yards to win the SB in this league. Regarding winning seasons, he gives us our ONLY shot this year. If we change QB's now, we are done.

you seriously think you can win a superbowl with under 80 yards passing? i'd love some recent examples. and if you seriously think we've got a real shot with brunell this year to win it all, you're kidding yourself.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you seriously think you can win a superbowl with under 80 yards passing? i'd love some recent examples. and if you seriously think we've got a real shot with brunell this year to win it all, you're kidding yourself.

You're right. And the worse part is that the one thing Brunell is supposedly good for (not making mistakes) was shot to hell last night when he floated that pass to Cololey at the 3, which Roy Williams picked off. I guess that was one of Brunell's "wise decisions."

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you seriously think you can win a superbowl with under 80 yards passing? i'd love some recent examples. and if you seriously think we've got a real shot with brunell this year to win it all, you're kidding yourself.

Agreed. 80 passing yards in a game means the defense is probably on the field for 40 minutes, which would tire out even the best defense in the league. Being 0 for 12 on third down for the first 56 minutes of the game doesn't help either. One thing I noticed is Gibbs actually looked irritated when Brunell was skipping balls to open receivers, even when he wasn't pressured. Still, I bet Brunell plays next week. They'll probably eak by the Texans, and that'll be the excuse to start Brunell the following week.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you seriously think you can win a superbowl with under 80 yards passing? i'd love some recent examples. and if you seriously think we've got a real shot with brunell this year to win it all, you're kidding yourself.

Actually, the reference was regarding Arm strength, rather than yardage in a game. It was meant to characterize that you don't need Elway arm strength to be successful in the NFL. Additionally, I made reference to winning (9-8) or losing (8-9) seasons. Finally, I don't think I am Kidding myself about anything. Putting in JC with our protection is insanity. It represents a total collapse of any kind of order, or philosophy with regard to the Redskins, and their program. In addition, it is a total admission that this season is lost. I am not willing, with 12% of our games played to throw in the towel

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Well, Many people said the same thing about Brunell last season. You don't have to throw 80 yards to win the SB in this league. Regarding winning seasons, he gives us our ONLY shot this year. If we change QB's now, we are done. Like it or not, with Brunell, we have our best chance. He must have some protection. He (like most QB's) have little chance when running all over the field to evade tacklers. He didn't cause a dozen penalties. He didn't fail to control, the Cowboys O in critical situations. To state that nobody respects Brunell is ridiculous, and the season is lost????? Come on, it's two games. Terrible start, but hardly a season. If you blame him for this.......situation, then it is only fair to praise him for his direction of the team to a 10-6 last year. Don't be confused that I advocate Brunell as a..........closet Montana. he is what we got until JC comes of age. As many have already stated, we don't need to make him a David Carr behind our NO-line. I, like the rest in Skins land am a pissed off SOB, but to make a foolish, emotional snap decision makes a potential losing season into a guarantee. We don't want to kill JC bringing him in now. Todd ain't it. WE don't want to do the Spurrier rotating QB either

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Well, Many people said the same thing about Brunell last season. You don't have to throw 80 yards to win the SB in this league. Regarding winning seasons, he gives us our ONLY shot this year. If we change QB's now, we are done. Like it or not, with Brunell, we have our best chance. He must have some protection. He (like most QB's) have little chance when running all over the field to evade tacklers. He didn't cause a dozen penalties. He didn't fail to control, the Cowboys O in critical situations. To state that nobody respects Brunell is ridiculous, and the season is lost????? Come on, it's two games. Terrible start, but hardly a season. If you blame him for this.......situation, then it is only fair to praise him for his direction of the team to a 10-6 last year. Don't be confused that I advocate Brunell as a..........closet Montana. he is what we got until JC comes of age. As many have already stated, we don't need to make him a David Carr behind our NO-line. I, like the rest in Skins land am a pissed off SOB, but to make a foolish, emotional snap decision makes a potential losing season into a guarantee. We don't want to kill JC bringing him in now. Todd ain't it. WE don't want to do the Spurrier rotating QB either

huge credit to Brunell for last year, he stuck it through 2004, finally learned the offense (and his injury limitations) and got us into the playoffs with his smart decisions and on the fly thinking.

but for better or worse, it's a new year, and we have a new offense and coordinator. what do we gain by going through all the trouble of having Brunell master this system to the tune of last year?

a 37yr old QB and a young, talented and ultimately inexperienced QB on the sidelines who'll have to learn (ie. lose) this all again eventually.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by illdefined

huge credit to Brunell for last year, he stuck it through 2004, finally learned the offense (and his injury limitations) and got us into the playoffs with his smart decisions and on the fly thinking.

but for better or worse, it's a new year, and we have a new offense and coordinator. what do we gain by going through all the trouble of having Brunell master this system to the tune of last year?

a 37yr old QB and a young, talented and ultimately inexperienced QB on the sidelines who'll have to learn (ie. lose) this all again eventually.

This is exactly what I was trying to say about 100 posts ago. Why keep wasting time on the QB of the past instead of getting the QB of the future some playing time?

[cowboykiller89]

Gibbs should base his decision on the results of this poll.