The State of the Redskins (MERGED)

70Chip · 10-13-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rotahe39

Yeah..but cassedy was still our general manager through the cooke era to the beginning of the synder era....after not re-signing green...he went out and traded one of our first round draft picks to the vikings for brad johnson(remember we had two first rounders because Carolina signed our franchise player sean gilbert)...so i blame charlie cassedy

Casserly claims he was hamstrung by the ownership thing. He says now that he did not have the authority he needed to re-sign Trent and that by the time he got the authority, Johnson was the best available alternative.

Of course, some of the ownership issues were the fault of Casserly himself. He was working very hard behind the scenes to derail the Millstein bid. I think he was hoping that the Cooke Foundation would fall back on John Cooke's offer once the Millsteins were rejected by the league owners. Who really knows? I think Green would have left for St. Louis to be with Dick Vermeil and Mike Martz no matter how much dough we offered him. I don't remember him being that upset that we didn't make a stronger play to sign him. It seems to me he got out as quickly as he could.

For those interested. Mr. Cooke's Will is here:

WashingtonPost.com: Jack Kent Cooke's Will: Index Page

SmootSmack · 10-16-2006, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rotahe39

Yeah..but cassedy was still our general manager through the cooke era to the beginning of the synder era....after not re-signing green...he went out and traded one of our first round draft picks to the vikings for brad johnson(remember we had two first rounders because Carolina signed our franchise player sean gilbert)...so i blame charlie cassedy

Who the hell is Charlie Cassedy? Let's suppose you meant Charlie Casserly. How would he sign anyone if there's no owner to write the check?

CPDAMAN · 10-12-2006, 10:03 PM

Hey, its time to stop all the negativity and start having some faith.

Pocket$ $traight · 10-12-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CPDAMAN

Hey, its time to stop all the negativity and start having some faith.

I wouldn't say that we need faith against the Titans at home.

The Colts.....maybe.

JGisLordOfTheRings · 10-12-2006, 11:45 PM

i agree with takfas, green woulda been great here, much better than Brunell is doing now. Just to clarify, i am not a brunell hater. i think he is great, (at times) and other times I pray that somehow they give me a jersey and tell me to take a whack ( i played QB in highschool ya know!)...jason campbell is the future and todd collins is dirt. if he plays ahead of campbell, I'll shit. the preseaon game(s) he was in, he kept getting into the habit of throwing the ball towards the defensive line. DOH!

MTK · 10-13-2006, 10:40 AM

Trotter in this defense? Please. Williams knew from day one when he got here that Trotter wasn't the guy he wanted running his D. He didn't even let him hit the practice field before he was let go.

MLB in this system requires a guy with brains, and no offense to Trotter but he's not exactly known for his cerebral abilities on the field. He's a great LB in a downhill, attacking style of 'D'. He just attacks the ball which is great in Philly, but that's not what Williams demands from his MLB.

70Chip · 10-13-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Trotter in this defense? Please. Williams knew from day one when he got here that Trotter wasn't the guy he wanted running his D. He didn't even let him hit the practice field before he was let go.

MLB in this system requires a guy with brains, and no offense to Trotter but he's not exactly known for his cerebral abilities on the field. He's a great LB in a downhill, attacking style of 'D'. He just attacks the ball which is great in Philly, but that's not what Williams demands from his MLB.

Williams expects the MLB to be able to cover receivers down the field. Personally, I think this is asking a bit much. We've seen Lemar Marshall get burned a few times when he was one on one with a WR.

Trotter may be the worst linebacker in coverage in the league besides Lavar, so that would have definitely been a bad fit.

steveo395 · 10-13-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

Williams expects the MLB to be able to cover receivers down the field. Personally, I think this is asking a bit much. We've seen Lemar Marshall get burned a few times when he was one on one with a WR.

Trotter may be the worst linebacker in coverage in the league besides Lavar, so that would have definitely been a bad fit.

marshall used to play CB and safety...he's one of the better cover linebackers in the league

chris36 · 10-15-2006, 04:33 PM

Ok I told you so, and I was wrong about Brunnel. He can lose a game for you and he sucks.

skinsfan69 · 10-16-2006, 01:46 PM

You guys are forgetting Champ. He's balling his ass off. And we got the worst of the Denver deal. Portis is great but we also gave up a 2nd rounder along with Bailey in that deal. So potentially two starters for Portis. In my opinion I would have paid Bailey and kept the draft pick. And don't forget to blame Gibbs becasue he is part of the problem.

CPDAMAN · 10-22-2006, 09:45 PM

OK. What do we do now. Do they cut Archuletta? He would be a 10 million dollar hit against our cap. I just don't understand. Last year we were two games from the super bowl. All we were lacking was another wide reciever and a good corner. Now we need a completely new defense. We have got to get a real GM. One that unerstands talent. Joe Gibbs needs to leave personnel decisions to someone else and do what he does best, coach.

That Guy · 10-23-2006, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CPDAMAN

OK. What do we do now. Do they cut Archuletta? He would be a 10 million dollar hit against our cap. I just don't understand. Last year we were two games from the super bowl. All we were lacking was another wide reciever and a good corner. Now we need a completely new defense. We have got to get a real GM. One that unerstands talent. Joe Gibbs needs to leave personnel decisions to someone else and do what he does best, coach.

the 4 deals are 3-4 year deals with 3-4 year options, more or less. the base pay is close to 1mill per (+pro rated signing bonus), and then balloon up to 4mill per year (+pro rated bonus) the last few years.

so it'll be cheaper to keep them through at least 2008, even though they can't play. but yeah, it definately hurts when you miss on players with big money. none of them were first tier free agents (except maybe El who was on the borderline due to a weak WR free agent AND draft class), but they all got first tier money.

4 first tier DEs (bosch, kampman, abraham, and freeney) were available, but three signed with their original teams, and abraham was traded for a 1st (too much for a guy that only cares about his pay checks and love to make excuses to miss games).

a guy like darren howard would have been better (and MUCH MUCH) cheaper than carter. oh well. maybe we'll get it right next year.

atomicnixon · 10-22-2006, 10:18 PM

Wow. I can vividly remember the 0-5 start when Gibbs first came here back in February of '80. He radically changed the Redskins over a bye week with a consistant power running game. Then Gibbs made 4 Super Bowl appearences, 3 of which he won. The brings me to todays loss. If the genious himself cannot turn around the ship, then what is the future of the Redskins? If Joe Gibbs can't fix it, then no other coach probably can. It seems since Jack Kent Cooke died the Redskins organization has been in a state of Emergency. It seems to bring back the winning ways to Washington you need to chop the head off the snake.

Beemnseven · 10-22-2006, 10:20 PM

Those were different teams, with WAY different players.

Prepare for the 'duplicate/unnecessary thread' smackdown, though.

SouperMeister · 10-22-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Those were different teams, with WAY different players.

Prepare for the 'duplicate/unnecessary thread' smackdown, though.

Totally agree. This D line has nobody who can consistently rush the passer, and little depth at DT (two rookies). I'm convinced that Saunders will improve the offense over the long haul, but lack of quality players and depth in the trenches will be the downfall of this team.

10-12-2006, 10:03 PM	#3
CPDAMAN Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 40	Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark. Hey, its time to stop all the negativity and start having some faith.

10-12-2006, 11:45 PM	#5
JGisLordOfTheRings Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Richmond VA Age: 40 Posts: 2,584	Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark. i agree with takfas, green woulda been great here, much better than Brunell is doing now. Just to clarify, i am not a brunell hater. i think he is great, (at times) and other times I pray that somehow they give me a jersey and tell me to take a whack ( i played QB in highschool ya know!)...jason campbell is the future and todd collins is dirt. if he plays ahead of campbell, I'll shit. the preseaon game(s) he was in, he kept getting into the habit of throwing the ball towards the defensive line. DOH! __________________ The redskins pocket is like my love life.....nonexistent and disappointing. -OnceWeWereKings

10-13-2006, 10:40 AM	#6
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark. Trotter in this defense? Please. Williams knew from day one when he got here that Trotter wasn't the guy he wanted running his D. He didn't even let him hit the practice field before he was let go. MLB in this system requires a guy with brains, and no offense to Trotter but he's not exactly known for his cerebral abilities on the field. He's a great LB in a downhill, attacking style of 'D'. He just attacks the ball which is great in Philly, but that's not what Williams demands from his MLB. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-15-2006, 04:33 PM	#9
chris36 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 183	Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark. Ok I told you so, and I was wrong about Brunnel. He can lose a game for you and he sucks.

10-16-2006, 01:46 PM	#10
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,591	Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark. You guys are forgetting Champ. He's balling his ass off. And we got the worst of the Denver deal. Portis is great but we also gave up a 2nd rounder along with Bailey in that deal. So potentially two starters for Portis. In my opinion I would have paid Bailey and kept the draft pick. And don't forget to blame Gibbs becasue he is part of the problem.

10-22-2006, 09:45 PM	#11
CPDAMAN Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 40	Re: WHATS WRONG WITH OUR FRONT OFFICE? Barber, Trotter, Smoot, Pierce, and Clark. OK. What do we do now. Do they cut Archuletta? He would be a 10 million dollar hit against our cap. I just don't understand. Last year we were two games from the super bowl. All we were lacking was another wide reciever and a good corner. Now we need a completely new defense. We have got to get a real GM. One that unerstands talent. Joe Gibbs needs to leave personnel decisions to someone else and do what he does best, coach.

10-22-2006, 10:18 PM	#13
atomicnixon Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 40 Posts: 174	The Shape of the Redskins Wow. I can vividly remember the 0-5 start when Gibbs first came here back in February of '80. He radically changed the Redskins over a bye week with a consistant power running game. Then Gibbs made 4 Super Bowl appearences, 3 of which he won. The brings me to todays loss. If the genious himself cannot turn around the ship, then what is the future of the Redskins? If Joe Gibbs can't fix it, then no other coach probably can. It seems since Jack Kent Cooke died the Redskins organization has been in a state of Emergency. It seems to bring back the winning ways to Washington you need to chop the head off the snake.

10-22-2006, 10:20 PM	#14
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 52 Posts: 5,311	Re: The Shape of the Redskins Those were different teams, with WAY different players. Prepare for the 'duplicate/unnecessary thread' smackdown, though.

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