It's not Brunell's fault!

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Celts, I wondered the same thing last week. I don't go to the games, so you can't really tell if the wideouts are getting open or not on TV.

And I have season tickets and have been to every home game this year and I still can't tell if people are always open. I see sometimes where they are open and he misfires or doesn't see the guy, but when I watch the offense my eyes are usually fixated on the backfield to see what they are doing with the ball. I usually don't look at the WR's unless the ball goes to them. I just can't train my eyes to see everything and i can't bring myself to miss a play so i can watch just the WR's. I would love for someone to fill me in on how to watch everything at the same time.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Celts, I wondered the same thing last week. I don't go to the games, so you can't really tell if the wideouts are getting open or not on TV.

But someone on the radio had an interesting viewpoint on whether the WRs are getting open -- in the NFL, getting open usually means only half a step from the defender. In this league, you must have a quarterback who can zip the ball in tight places -- sometimes on their back foot under heavy pressure.

Brunell seems to be good for two types of passes: Short, controlled throws within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, or desperation heaves to Moss, many times relying only on luck or Moss' ability to adjust to the ball.

But we must be wrong, because Gibbs obviously sees it differently.

The only game I've been to where Brunell was the starter. That was the opener. The game against Minnesota. When I openly admitted that I booed the team. It was directed at Brunell. Why? Because I saw them in the red zone with Cooley or Moss (happened on 2 occasions) running free across the back of the end zone and all it would have taken was a little mustard on the ball for 6. What does he do? Throws it away once and takes a sack the other time. That's why I was booing the team in week 1. I know these guys can get open. You don't just forget how to do that this year. The ball's not getting there. Why else would Lloyd be flipping out?

[illdefined]

hey, lets start another HATS OFF TO BRUNELL thread: another game without an INT. way to go.

[EternalEnigma21]

I watched the post game interviews... I don't think its a positive ego thing.

We are not playing with the attitude we need to knock someone in the mouth and take a game away. I wasn't sure about this game, even though I was scared of the Titans.

We're not going to Campbell, which I think is a mistake. I would have to give him this year.

We're going to have a losing season this year, and IF campbell even starts next year we're going to have a year for him to get acclimated to the offense and playing with starters, which gives us another excuse...

Suggestions:

!) Fire Al Saunders. Keep a few of his plays, but send him on his way, or keep him as an advisor, but put the plays back in Gibbs hands.

2) Cut Archuleta. Troy Vincent will be our starter. He's old, but he's only had a week and knows our system better than Archuleta.

3) Bench Brunell and tie Todd Collins to the back of a moving Metro Train

4) Slap GW in the face and tell him if he doesn't start bringing pressure he's done, because anyone can play a cover 2 poorly on defense. Most AVERAGE defensive coaches demonstrate that regularly. Especially when you're playing a guy that has made a sure fire hall of fame career by picking apart zone covering D's that are scared to take guys out of coverage to rush him...

[EternalEnigma21]

Down by 20 pts in the fourth, you may want to take a couple of shots downfield, or at least past the first down line,

or hell the line of scrimmage?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Down by 20 pts in the fourth, you may want to take a couple of shots downfield, or at least past the first down line,

or hell the line of scrimmage?

no, instead we should keep throwing to our 'deep threat' who had the *most* receptions in the game, and was 2 yds shy of being our number one receiver.

LADELL BETTS.


yes, the backup runningback.

[mike340]

I remember at one point in the first half Brunell was 10 of 15 with ?? yards. Then they gave the sacks/hurries numbers. There were 10 hurries. That means, in spite of all the dump-offs, he only had 5 unpressured passes. So can you try to go downfield if your OLine is so weak that you get pressured doing just short dump-offs? My feeling is that Saunders doesn't call the downfield plays because he doesn't trust the OLine to hold up long enough. And remember all those holding penalties? There's a lot more of them when the line has to pass protect for more time.

As far as pulling Brunell, I don't see it until we're (practically) mathematically eliminated. As it currently stands:
Philly: we have 2 more losses and we play them twice
Dallas and NY: After tomorrow, we will be 2 losses behind one and 3 behind the other, with one home game against each.
So we're not exactly out of it yet. But if we continue to play the way we have been...

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

come on its not mark fault the receivers are small. They have to grow over the bye week and get tuffer

[SoCalSkinsFan]

I have an idea: tackle the guy with the f-ing ball. And enough with the stupid penalties. Brunell didn't contribute to either of those factors in losing the game. And somehow Greg Williams doesn't seem to get enough blame. We give up almost 25 points a game! JC, Brunell or whoever, we ain't winning too many games with that type of D.

And someone please put Arculetta and Samuels out of their misery. They're done.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SoCalSkinsFan

I have an idea: tackle the guy with the f-ing ball. And enough with the stupid penalties. Brunell didn't contribute to either of those factors in losing the game. And somehow Greg Williams doesn't seem to get enough blame. We give up almost 25 points a game! JC, Brunell or whoever, we ain't winning too many games with that type of D.

And someone please put Arculetta and Samuels out of their misery. They're done.

I agree that Samuels is overrated but he is no worse than a top 5 tackle. Archuletta is garbage. Unfortunately, we are stuck with them for a while. I would like to see Archuletta benched, at least we will find out if the guy has any pride.

[Mauicruzer]

I CANT DEAL WITH THIS CRAP ANYMORE. Everything bothers me about the skins right now. Because im so frustrated im going to go ahead and say it but I still blame it all on Norv Turner

[CPDAMAN]

I think you are right. FA's that played great, sucked after they came here, we had stupid penalties and we never performed to our ability. It's the curse of Turner

[Citizens for 81]

Originally Posted by CPDAMAN

I think you are right. FA's that played great, sucked after they came here, we had stupid penalties and we never performed to our ability. It's the curse of Turner

Why is he a curse? Is it because he was from Dallas or is b/c he sucked so bad.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I agree that Samuels is overrated but he is no worse than a top 5 tackle. Archuletta is garbage. Unfortunately, we are stuck with them for a while. I would like to see Archuletta benched, at least we will find out if the guy has any pride.

In all fairness to Samuels I thought the coaching staff should have found a way to give him some help with Freeney knowing he has problems with speed rushers. It not like they don't know, so some help should have been there.

I'm not going to talk about Brunell anymore because everything that can be said about him has already been said ,except for the fact we have nine more games to talk about him some more.

[Daseal]

I remember at one point in the first half Brunell was 10 of 15 with ?? yards. Then they gave the sacks/hurries numbers. There were 10 hurries. That means, in spite of all the dump-offs, he only had 5 unpressured passes. So can you try to go downfield if your OLine is so weak that you get pressured doing just short dump-offs? My feeling is that Saunders doesn't call the downfield plays because he doesn't trust the OLine to hold up long enough. And remember all those holding penalties? There's a lot more of them when the line has to pass protect for more time.

Yeah, I remember when they showed that. Peytons hit was higher and hurried was the same. Really kept him from doing anything,