Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse?

[hesscl34]

.. I hope I'm wrong. I HOPE JC makes us all proud.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Mark had to learn a whole new O, and I'm sure he was playing conservative. If our freakin D would have stepped up things would have been VERY different!

The defense has very little to do with the fact that the offense put up three points last week, and Brunell has plenty to do with that.

[illdefined]

and we all hoped we were wrong about no.8.. aside from the second game vs. Dallas, we weren't.

he probably threw his arm out.

[PWNED]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I'm saying this is NOT JUST a QB problem, and JC will prove that.

oh its not, but it definitely WAS a glaring problem. WLB is another problem right now. our front four is playing decent football. its what happens after an RB gets past them.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

If our God Damn D would have played, YES, I do think we could have made the playoffs AND the Superbowl.

I must admit I admire your faith in Brunell because I had it at one time too, but I guess all of us know what happened to it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

For weeks we've been hearing MB and Gibbs repeatedly say they can't go deep because opposing defenses have played cover 2 or a 2 deep safety shell so the dump offs were 'taking what was available'. Everyone knows the way to beat a cover 2 is throwing to the deep middle or corner routes, 2 routes Brunell didn't have the arm strength or confidence to throw. With JC taking the reins should we see more of those throws against that coverage?

That dump off crap is a bunch of bullshit. Not to be too technical but with this type of covergae you can throw deep curl routes and deep dig or crossing routes in the 15-25 yard range. But you MUST have a TE who can run right down the middle in between the safties. The TE will occupy the middle backer and one of the safties 9-10 times. As long as your TE can get off the line and get in the 2ndary quickly, then the deep crossing and curl routes open up underneath the TE running down the field. This is why KC had a strong passing game with average WR's. The TE makes it all go against this type of coverage. I use to play HS football and most of the defenses we played used this type of covergae.

[RobH4413]

Sunday is so far away!!!!

I was just thinking about this on the way home today. I've always thought before a game, If I'm a defensive co-ordinator, how can I beat the redskins. When Brunell was in the game, you think ... well shoot... we'll make him beat us if he can. Put pressure on him, and then key the dump off.

Now with Campbell in, you've got to think they'll take a similar strategy. Pressure the QB, force the dump off, and key that guy. Letting the underneath stuff slide, and cover tight mid-range. The only problem is... suppose Campbell takes the heat well, or our o-line plays inspired.

Campbell will be able to launch the ball over the safeties. With our speedy WR's it could be deadly.

All of this is pure speculation, and I can only assume Saunders will come out firing. Campbell may be confused by some defenses, throw a few picks, but ultimatly I'm thinking Saunders wants to take shots downfield.
If we lose, I'm expecting to lose Brett Favre style, and partially cut out this conservative nonsense for a game. It'll be exciting, that you can count on.

Godspeed JC.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

That dump off crap is a bunch of bullshit. Not to be too technical but with this type of covergae you can throw deep curl routes and deep dig or crossing routes in the 15-25 yard range. But you MUST have a TE who can run right down the middle in between the safties. The TE will occupy the middle backer and one of the safties 9-10 times. As long as your TE can get off the line and get in the 2ndary quickly, then the deep crossing and curl routes open up underneath the TE running down the field. This is why KC had a strong passing game with average WR's. The TE makes it all go against this type of coverage. I use to play HS football and most of the defenses we played used this type of covergae.

While this is true.... a 15-25 yd dig is one of the longest plays to develop. Curls work, and we do tend to use them as well, but with the corners easing back in the flats, it gets dangerous when you've got a noodle arm at QB. So therefore, CB's anticipate the flat pass, and jump the hell out of it. That's basically what our offense couldn't overcome.

The route that beats the cover 2, is the WR post & a TE skinny post. Both great plays for a QB who can place a ball well (and is tall enough to see the field). We'll see what happends. I'm excited.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i get it.

ALL HAIL GIBBS! GO SKINS! FIGHT ON!*


* unless you bench no.8

hahah, yupp you got it right

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yeah, it seems like the Redskins are the only team in the NFL who's offense is completely ineffective when the opponent is in a Cover 2.

The Colts had no problem lighting up the Cover 2 on a regular basis. The middle of the field is nice and vulnerable.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

While this is true.... a 15-25 yd dig is one of the longest plays to develop. Curls work, and we do tend to use them as well, but with the corners easing back in the flats, it gets dangerous when you've got a noodle arm at QB. So therefore, CB's anticipate the flat pass, and jump the hell out of it. That's basically what our offense couldn't overcome.

The route that beats the cover 2, is the WR post & a TE skinny post. Both great plays for a QB who can place a ball well (and is tall enough to see the field). We'll see what happends. I'm excited.

Skinny post works very well against cover 2 and we saw some of that against Indy. There are many ways to attack the cover 2 in the 15-25 yard range. If the line can protect, (and that's a big if) it will be interesting to see if Campbell is willing sit in the pocket and wait for those down the field routes to develop. If you ask me, Brunell just didn't have the willingness the sit in there and wait for things to develop down the field. Plus Brunell needed perfect protection to get in down the field.

[That Guy]

gibbs won't need the cover-2 excuse, cause campbell can throw deep all day... he might need an interception excuse, but hopefully we score more than tampa so he won't have to anything besides "we got great QB play."

I'd guess it'll be a bit rough against tampa on the road, but there's always a chance it just works out.

[dmek25]

why do you guys have to go and get hessy all fired up? and hessy, i dont understand why you dont want campbell to have sucess right now, as opposed to next season?

[hesscl34]

I DO want him to have sucess right now, but it isn't going to happen. Not mid season..

... It's time for doom and gloom folks. All down hill from here - UNTIL NEXT YEAR!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

... It's time for doom and gloom folks. All down hill from here - UNTIL NEXT YEAR!

You're trying to be sarcastic aren't you?