Gibbs will be back next year

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

I don't really like it when people say a team has to be strong enough to fight through all their injuries because every team faces them because it totally takes out the fact that luck plays into it so much. For example, if the Colts lost one of their guards they might be lucky enough to have a backup who can fill in and the team won't miss a beat, but if they lose Manning they are S.O.L. It's all a matter of who you lose and when you lose him.


But basically this was just a post made so that I can remind everyone that 724Skinsfan sucks the big one. He lacks proper personal grooming techniques and I have it on good authority that he doesn't signal when changing lanes on the highway.
Suck it, 724. Suck it indeed.

{sigh} It doesn't bother me to hear this from the likes of...ewe.

[12thMan]

Did you two have a spat before bed last night?

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Did you two have a spat before bed last night?

Like you wouldn't believe. I caught him trying on the french maid outfit I got him for X-mas. That was supposed to be a suprise damnit!


And I need to stop the hijacking before I get yelled at.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Like you wouldn't believe. I caught him trying on the french maid outfit I got him for X-mas. That was supposed to be a suprise damnit!


And I need to stop the hijacking before I get yelled at.

Hey, quick question - where did you get the outfit? I've been looking for one.

[jsarno]

Skinsguy...oddly enough, I did find a little proof. I didn't think I would since it was so long ago.
here is the site I got this info from:
About Joe Gibbs, Joe Gibbs Online, Sign Up for Joe's Weekly Spiritual Game Plan!, Joe Gibbs

"Gibbs retired from football in 1993, after citing health problems. He was known for his long hours, and he said he wanted to spend more time with his family."
"as he led the Washington Redskins to three Super Bowl victories in four appearances, then quit to own a NASCAR racing team."

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Skinsguy...oddly enough, I did find a little proof. I didn't think I would since it was so long ago.
here is the site I got this info from:
About Joe Gibbs, Joe Gibbs Online, Sign Up for Joe's Weekly Spiritual Game Plan!, Joe Gibbs

"Gibbs retired from football in 1993, after citing health problems. He was known for his long hours, and he said he wanted to spend more time with his family."
"as he led the Washington Redskins to three Super Bowl victories in four appearances, then quit to own a NASCAR racing team."

Mmmkaaay, I didn't see anything in there about Joe Gibbs working 18 hours a day in NASCAR? Where is your proof? It just says he retired and joined NASCAR. I don't believe anybody here is going to dispute that.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Mmmkaaay, I didn't see anything in there about Joe Gibbs working 18 hours a day in NASCAR? Where is your proof? It just says he retired and joined NASCAR. I don't believe anybody here is going to dispute that.

mmm what? My point was that he left the Redskins "to be with family" and went straight to NASCAR. The 18 hours a day was a non factor. I don't care if he worked 24 hours a day in NASCAR, the point was he left the skins to be with family and went to NASCAR. I proved that point.

Also, this is your quote:
Secondly, who's to say his intentions were not to spend more time with his family?

I am..and I proved it with my link. He went STRAIGHT to NASCAR, did not pass go, did not collect $200.
I understand you're going to get defensive about Gibbs, most do, but he's not perfect.

About disputing him going to NASCAR, well no one will say he wasn't there, but you argued he left due to health reasons, not to be with family like I said. Sure health played a factor, but his main reason was family. (again, I proved that) In fact here is your quote:
Completely different reason the first time. At the point, he was feeling the effects of his diabetes big time

I hope now you are enlightened as to why he left in the first place, and it wasn't nearly as honorable as he would have lead us to believe.

[jsarno]

It appears you are right about J.D., he joined in 93, but wasn't president until 97. I misunderstood when he joined the Gibbs team.

It still doesn't change the fact that he was speaking of Coy growing a beard as to why he left to be with family.
But I guess I can see where people would think he was "with family" since he was with J.D. It's a weak argument at best though. There was much more to his family than just J.D. At least I can see your point though.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

It appears you are right about J.D., he joined in 93, but wasn't president until 97. I misunderstood when he joined the Gibbs team.

It still doesn't change the fact that he was speaking of Coy growing a beard as to why he left to be with family.
But I guess I can see where people would think he was "with family" since he was with J.D. It's a weak argument at best though. There was much more to his family than just J.D. At least I can see your point though.

Sorry, but I don't see how Coach Gibbs relating one story about his son equates to being his main reason for leaving. His medical issues played a huge part as well. He was having alot of problems due to lack of sleep and having persistent headaches and pain in his arms. After his diagnosis, he knew he couldn't continue as he had been. As far as his family goes, he began questioning the amount of time he was spending with them three years prior to his retirement when his own father passed away, at which point his father apologized to him on his deathbed for not being there for them as he should have been. Also, at that point in his career, he had been coaching for 25 years. He gave it all he had and had nothing left to prove. I just don't think you can find fault in him, whatever his reasons were, considering what he gave up for this team and its fans. The fact that he's chosen to do it all over again speaks volumns as to his character and his devotion to this organization.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

Sorry, but I don't see how Coach Gibbs relating one story about his son equates to being his main reason for leaving. His medical issues played a huge part as well. He was having alot of problems due to lack of sleep and having persistent headaches and pain in his arms. After his diagnosis, he knew he couldn't continue as he had been. As far as his family goes, he began questioning the amount of time he was spending with them three years prior to his retirement when his own father passed away, at which point his father apologized to him on his deathbed for not being there for them as he should have been. Also, at that point in his career, he had been coaching for 25 years. He gave it all he had and had nothing left to prove. I just don't think you can find fault in him, whatever his reasons were, considering what he gave up for this team and its fans. The fact that he's chosen to do it all over again speaks volumns as to his character and his devotion to this organization.

Just to add, he was clearly burnt. He had Dick Vermeil syndrome at that point. Years of living football 24/7, sleeping in his office on cot, and being obsessed with football and winning took it's toll. He missed his family, he had won 3 Super Bowls, the guy had nothing left to give in his mind.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just to add, he was clearly burnt. He had Dick Vermeil syndrome at that point. Years of living football 24/7, sleeping in his office on cot, and being obsessed with football and winning took it's toll. He missed his family, he had won 3 Super Bowls, the guy had nothing left to give in his mind.

You're right Matty.

I'm currently reading the book "Hail Victory" and in the book where Gibbs talks about his father he says, "He wasn't there alot. I started thinking about those things. I thought how much longer do I have to enjoy those other things? After twenty five years of doing what I was doing, I was getting a little tired of doing the same thing."

To me, his decision to retire was completely understandable. For those of us who had the priviledge of witnessing his first tenure as coach it was very hard to let him go and it makes me so grateful that he chose to come back. He was, is and always will be the Redskins to me.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

Sorry, but I don't see how Coach Gibbs relating one story about his son equates to being his main reason for leaving. His medical issues played a huge part as well. He was having alot of problems due to lack of sleep and having persistent headaches and pain in his arms. After his diagnosis, he knew he couldn't continue as he had been. As far as his family goes, he began questioning the amount of time he was spending with them three years prior to his retirement when his own father passed away, at which point his father apologized to him on his deathbed for not being there for them as he should have been. Also, at that point in his career, he had been coaching for 25 years. He gave it all he had and had nothing left to prove. I just don't think you can find fault in him, whatever his reasons were, considering what he gave up for this team and its fans. The fact that he's chosen to do it all over again speaks volumns as to his character and his devotion to this organization.

Well said. Honestly, if I were in his shoes, I'd probably just be happy with my past coaching accomplishments and call it a career. I wouldn't have come back to coaching at his age. Like you said LB, I think it speaks volumes about his character and how he loves this team enough to get this franchise back to where it belongs, which is at the top of the NFL.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Well said. Honestly, if I were in his shoes, I'd probably just be happy with my past coaching accomplishments and call it a career. I wouldn't have come back to coaching at his age. Like you said LB, I think it speaks volumes about his character and how he loves this team enough to get this franchise back to where it belongs, which is at the top of the NFL.

Honestly I think part of it was money. He's getting 5-6 million a year? That's alot of coin. But I'm glad he is coming back. But I hope Snyder strips him of his role of team President. He needs to do a better job coaching the team.

[MTK]

As TAFKAS pointed out, he worked closely with his sons on the race team, so he did spend more time with the family. Plus I'm sure NASCAR wasn't quite the grind that the NFL was for him.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

As Tafkas pointed out, he worked closely with his sons on the race team, so he did spend more time with the family. Plus I'm sure NASCAR wasn't quite the grind that the NFL was for him.

I thought his kids didn't join him for a couple years after he started NASCAR?