Worst Defense in the NFL

[The Huddle]

Originally Posted by gibbs4life

me neither matty...the offense has come together and the special teams has been solid but the defense ,why bother right.....
and they certainly have stunk up the joint this season.
so this whole offseason should be spent on the defense and resigning our own players and please use the draft get some picks and actually pick up some people. we don,t need another free agency fenzy offseason.

I agree with your ideas about the approach to the off-season- for once let's not pull a glitzy free agent shopping spree.

Can't see where the offense has "come together". St. Louis was the first time in eight games they've managed to break 20 points.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Blue Star

I have faith that they will beat the Lions but the postseason looks grime with the defense level of play. If Dallas doesnt get to the big one this year there is even more hope to look to next season as a promising one. I can not say the same for Washington.

With the exception of your RBs and TEs, your offense is old. Your defense is overrated. Romo is as consistent as the Redskins defense. Parcells might leave. ......So tell me again why you are so hopeful about your Cowboys.

[dgack]

Wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago that we had Skins fans on here lamenting how Dallas is superior because they build through the draft and we ruined our team with overpriced free agency busts?

Do we need any more proof of just how much rides on the shoulders of an NFL QB?

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

With the exception of your RBs and TEs, your offense is old. Your defense is overrated. Romo is as consistent as the Redskins defense. Parcells might leave. ......So tell me again why you are so hopeful about your Cowboys.

thats right on target my friend, i would say the future of the skins looks more promising than the future of the cowboys right now.

the skins offense is improving every week and with the return of a healthy portis and a full off-season of campbell learning, i'd say the offense is in good shape

the defense will bounce back. they might not be in the top 5 next season but they will be much improved. a new safety,(springs) another cb (nate clements) and a new pass rushing d-lineman (first draft pick)

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by The Huddle

I agree with your ideas about the approach to the off-season- for once let's not pull a glitzy free agent shopping spree.

But how else are we to fix the defense? Can't do it with draft picks. And we know we can't stand pat with the secondary.

As much as I hate it when this team goes berzerk in the offseason with free agent signings, I don't know how else they can do it.

[The Huddle]

[quote=Beemnseven;264683]But how else are we to fix the defense? Can't do it with draft picks. And we know we can't stand pat with the secondary.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

But how else are we to fix the defense? Can't do it with draft picks. And we know we can't stand pat with the secondary.

As much as I hate it when this team goes berserk in the offseason with free agent signings, I don't know how else they can do it.

Agreed that they are in a fix draft-wise because of the reckless manner they've dealt picks in recent years (this may end up being re-examined more closely if Gibbs II ultimately fails). However, there are capable players available at relatively reasonable prices every year. I'm not saying don't sign any free agents, I'm saying quit getting all starry eyed and throwing money at "name" players.

We also need to get away from the assumption that this problem can be fixed in one off season. That's how we approached the offensive issues last off season and (obviously) the "quick fix" route didn't work.

[GTripp0012]

I think a lot of animosity is being thrown on the offense for leaving a lot of oppertunities on the table. And rightfully so, last year we were very good at converting our few and far between successful drives into points. But this year, we've put toghether a lot more quality drives. A LOT more. Don't look at a few select scenarios when you have the entire body of work to look at. That says that we are about on par with last year. Don't underestimate the value of an offense that even in ultimate failure, can move the ball down the field. Field postion is directly proportional to how many points a team scores.

Looking foward, its very good that we get more oppertunities to score per game. We may not be successful right now. But going foward, those problems are easily fixible with the personel we have.

Likewise don't overestimate the ability of a D that when given ideal field position, squanders it and fails to force turnovers ever. Points for/against simply don't tell you enough about the team to predict future performance. Yards are much better at that.

These problems aren't as fixible with the personel we have.

[GTripp0012]

[quote=The Huddle;264716]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

But how else are we to fix the defense? Can't do it with draft picks. And we know we can't stand pat with the secondary.

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Agreed that they are in a fix draft-wise because of the reckless manner they've dealt picks in recent years (this may end up being re-examined more closely if Gibbs II ultimately fails). However, there are capable players available at relatively reasonable prices every year. I'm not saying don't sign any free agents, I'm saying quit getting all starry eyed and throwing money at "name" players.

We also need to get away from the assumption that this problem can be fixed in one off season. That's how we approached the offensive issues last off season and (obviously) the "quick fix" route didn't work.

Agreed. Though we have some needs that need to be fixed badly by established vets. The three things we NEED in free agency:

1) Cornerback (Nate Clements)
2) Middle Linebacker (London Fletcher)
3) Blocking TE (Kyle Brady or a guy who played for Al Saunders, Jason Dunn)

We also need to shore up the LG spot and the easiest way to do that is resign Dockery. The draft or bargain bin signings can account for all those other needs on the DL and OL, and maybe we can even take a late round CB or S for added depth.

[wolfeskins]

[quote=GTripp0012;264727]

Originally Posted by The Huddle

Agreed. Though we have some needs that need to be fixed badly by established vets. The three things we NEED in free agency:

1) Cornerback (Nate Clements)
2) Middle Linebacker (London Fletcher)
3) Blocking TE (Kyle Brady or a guy who played for Al Saunders, Jason Dunn)

We also need to shore up the LG spot and the easiest way to do that is resign Dockery. The draft or bargain bin signings can account for all those other needs on the DL and OL, and maybe we can even take a late round CB or S for added depth.

i agree with you on cornerback nate clements, i'm on the fence about middle lb london fletcher and i disagree with you on blocking te.

i think we need a pass rushing d-lineman way more than a blocking te.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

But how else are we to fix the defense? Can't do it with draft picks. And we know we can't stand pat with the secondary.

As much as I hate it when this team goes berzerk in the offseason with free agent signings, I don't know how else they can do it.

Find a new defensive coordinator. If you finished last at whatever you do for a living, how long woild you keep your job?

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Find a new defensive coordinator. If you finished last at whatever you do for a living, how long woild you keep your job?

That depends because he did finish close to the top in his previous 2 season so they are not going to just fire him off of this years showing

[bertoskins2]

what we need is consistency and continuity
this year is all new to us, esp the defensive players and the offensive coordinators. also we need to get ready during the training camp. gibbs is to lenient in this years camp

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by bertoskins2

what we need is consistency and continuity
this year is all new to us, esp the defensive players and the offensive coordinators. also we need to get ready during the training camp. gibbs is to lenient in this years camp

Gibbs has a plan he talks about it on redskins.com and basically admits that he f***** up last year as far as the free agents that he picked goes by saying that "you learn from your mistakes" and he "would like to keep the 2004 free agents together" basically discounting the '05 class

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

That depends because he did finish close to the top in his previous 2 season so they are not going to just fire him off of this years showing

I agree - that kind of short-sightedness by the Skins is what is causing a lot of the problems now. GW has proved he can run a top-10 defense year-in, year-out, so he deserves the chance to get this D running the way we know it can.

[irish]

I still think someone will have to be the scapegoat for the season and I think GW will be that person. I'm not saying he should be canned but I think the organiztion will not be able to resist making someone the scapegoat for what is without a doubt the most disappointing season in redskins history.