Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

What does a conviction have to do with anything? He makes the league look bad by getting in all this trouble. To rely on our justice system to create the proper scenario where he can be suspended is naive. He has behaved very badly and should be punished for it whether he gets off legally or not.

A good example: He had marijuana possession charges dropped because his mom magically claimed it was all hers. Even though the stuff was in his bedroom in his house. So because he didn't get convicted for this he shouldn't be punished by the league?

The legal system in this country is far too faulty and often far too permissive to use it as anything more than part of the equation.

It sets a dangerous standard of suspension. What is obviously bad PR for the league can change depending on how the NFL interprets those actions. No legal conviction is required so its based on the NFL's opinion. Don't think that Paul Tagli would have handed out such harsh punishments.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

It sets a dangerous standard of suspension. What is obviously bad PR for the league can change depending on how the NFL interprets those actions. No legal conviction is required so its based on the NFL's opinion. Don't think that Paul Tagli would have handed out such harsh punishments.

The Commish isn't dumb, he's not going to start suspending players left and right and booting guys outta clubs because that would simply hurt the NFL's image even more and its bottom line. I wouldn't be too fearful that things will get out of control.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The Commish isn't dumb, he's not going to start suspending players left and right and booting guys outta clubs because that would simply hurt the NFL's image even more and its bottom line. I wouldn't be too fearful that things will get out of control.

Good point.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

It sets a dangerous standard of suspension. What is obviously bad PR for the league can change depending on how the NFL interprets those actions. No legal conviction is required so its based on the NFL's opinion. Don't think that Paul Tagli would have handed out such harsh punishments.

The NFL's opinion is the only thing that should matter. It is their league and these are their employees. I maintain that using thr US justice system as anything other part of the equation is much too lenient. Guys like Henry and Pacman are bad for the league, the other players, the teams and the union. But by your standard no one should do anything about Pacman since he hasn't been convicted. That is silly.

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The NFL's opinion is the only thing that should matter. It is their league and these are their employees. I maintain that using thr US justice system as anything other part of the equation is much too lenient. Guys like Henry and Pacman are bad for the league, the other players, the teams and the union. But by your standard no one should do anything about Pacman since he hasn't been convicted. That is silly.

It is "their" league, whatever that really means. The NFL is nothing without the players and fans who love to watch the most exiting sport in the world. Who would really watch a league with subpar performers but stand up citizens in the community? Granted in a perfect world the NFL gets both. Just seems like all of a sudden a new commissioner is trying to make a name for himself when nobody gives a shit about him. I'd rather see Pacman on sportscenter running for a 90 yard touchdown.....that's just me though. I understand everyone else's opinion and can't argue for a guy like Pacman too hard. Just hate the Uncle Sam approach of the NFL lately.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

It is "their" league, whatever that really means. The NFL is nothing without the players and fans who love to watch the most exiting sport in the world. Who would really watch a league with subpar performers but stand up citizens in the community? Granted in a perfect world the NFL gets both. Just seems like all of a sudden a new commissioner is trying to make a name for himself when nobody gives a shit about him. I'd rather see Pacman on sportscenter running for a 90 yard touchdown.....that's just me though. I understand everyone else's opinion and can't argue for a guy like Pacman too hard. Just hate the Uncle Sam approach of the NFL lately.

With all this ungrateful piece of trash has done off the football field, your saying left up to you he would still be making the highlight reel regardless of his actions......?!
Im really glad you have nothing to do with the nfl. And a 'uncle sam approach'?. again Im dumbfounded. what does that mean, really?

[#56fanatic]

the thing about pacman is even if the union fights this and gets the suspension shortened, the Titans can suspend him based on the fact he didn't disclose two arrests that happened in another state. So either way, he is done for the year. The titans suspension can not be challenged due to Pacman failure to disclose those arrests.

Henry on the other hand could get his shortened if the union fought it. I dont think they will though. They would get huge backlash from every direction if they did.

Both of these idiots played at WVU (sorry to say I am a WVU guy at this point) so most of their issues were swept under the rug while they were in college. Both got into some trouble but never paid the price for it. Now they are learning their actions do have consequences.

Good job commish!!

[skinsfan_nn]

By the way. Let's don't forget da bears! TANK your next in line!
Soon, as your get out of jail card arrives, the COMMISH wants to see ya! BYE

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Forget about the other 9 incidents, Pacman's uncontroverted and substantiated actions at the night club in Vegas are enough to warrant a 1-year ban.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

We live in a country that has adopted an "at will employment rule," meaning employers can fire their employees for just about anything. In other words, employers can fire employees "at will." The CBA, an agreement the NFLPA signed, stipulates that the Commissioner has the authority he is currently exercising. So, to require a criminal conviction prior to the imposition of any suspension would be creating a new rule.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

We live in a country that has adopted an "at will employment rule," meaning employers can fire their employees for just about anything. In other words, employers can fire employees "at will." The CBA, an agreement the NFLPA signed, stipulates that the Commissioner has the authority he is currently exercising. So, to require a criminal conviction prior to the imposition of any suspension would be creating a new rule.

And there you have it, it's that simple. Hey SGG, my legal council has been pretty damn bad lately. You takin new clients? My wife also has an insurance office maybe we can get a multi line discount? Like a GOOD NEIGHBOR........ HIRED!

[Daseal]

We live in a country that has adopted an "at will employment rule,"

Isn't it required in several states for a person to be given two weeks notice before they're let go?

I like parts of this and I don't so much like other parts. I think that being able to suspend people before the crime goes through a court of law is a huge mistake. At least wait till these guys are convicted before sitting them down. I don't want to see someone kicked off the squad for four games go to find out he had nothing to do with the situation.

That's my main gripe, and I'm not sure if anyone said this yet or not, but Pacman can reduce his punishment to ten games if he does a ton of different things. They ran through them on Sirius' afternoon blitz.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Isn't it required in several states for a person to be given two weeks notice before they're let go?

I like parts of this and I don't so much like other parts. I think that being able to suspend people before the crime goes through a court of law is a huge mistake. At least wait till these guys are convicted before sitting them down. I don't want to see someone kicked off the squad for four games go to find out he had nothing to do with the situation.

That's my main gripe, and I'm not sure if anyone said this yet or not, but Pacman can reduce his punishment to ten games if he does a ton of different things. They ran through them on Sirius' afternoon blitz.

I don't know about several states? But in VA your LUCKY to get a 2 second notice!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Daseal, although there may be labor laws in some jurisdictions that provide employees who are about to be terminated with certain protections, the at will employment doctrine is pretty universal.

Skinsfan__nn, I'd love to, if you don't mind commuting to Madison, WI to meet with me or paying for me to fly to the D.C. area to meet with you. In any event, I'm pretty much incompetent as I don't even get my J.D. for another 2 months. If you are actually serious about finding new legal counsel, I could definately recommend good outside counsel. My firm's (Foley and Lardner) D.C. office has a lot of really good attorneys, but they're quite expensive.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Daseal, although there may be labor laws in some jurisdictions that provide employees who are about to be terminated with certain protections, the at will employment doctrine is pretty universal.

Skinsfan__nn, I'd love to, if you don't mind commuting to Madison, WI to meet with me or paying for me to fly to the D.C. area to meet with you. In any event, I'm pretty much incompetent as I don't even get my J.D. for another 2 months. If you are actually serious about finding new legal counsel, I could definately recommend good outside counsel.

You do make it to a game or two correct? We can work out the details.

Just kidin my wife has an OUTSTANDING FIRM for her office. When I do something stupid they take it on the chin for the local Redneck Redskin Fan! Nice havin friends!

Back to thread, I think the league is doing the right thing by taking a Hard Line position on these types of behaviors, which are completely unacceptable.