Brady's Bedtime Buddies

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Originally Posted by angryssg

Whatever.

Whatever? So who is a better deep threat? You can have any other wideout in the history of the NFL.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If we put Brady on our team the whole offense is different. It would go from a don't make any mistakes, shotgun only on 3rd and long, short passing game to probably a spread out the field more with 3-4-5 wr sets, more aggressive playcalling, shotgun on first down type of offense. Not sure if that would translate into more wins w/ our defense but I know our offense would be MUCH better.

If Brady was the Tom Brady from NE...not a whole lot would be different. Brady still plays a really conservative game. I mean, certainly you've realized this. Why do you think his INT totals are so low? He plays it safe.

If we asked him to open it up, inevitably we'd get more mistakes.

Of course Brady>Brunell. He's considerably younger and a bit more efficient. No one is arguing the contrary. But its a reasonable comparision because they approach offense fairly similarly.

Aggressive does not always equal better. Aggressive is one thing. Better is something else.

[KLHJ2]

Look at their stats since 2003 Santanna has a higher ypc AVG and more rececptions for more than 20 and 40 yards. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Once again I am not saying that Santanna is better, but that he has a different skill set.

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Originally Posted by angryssg

Look at their stats since 2003 Santanna has a higher ypc AVG and more rececptions for more than 20 and 40 yards. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Once again I am not saying that Santanna is better, but that he has a different skill set.

You are 1000% wrong. Once again someone misuses stats to argue a bogus point.

Have you ever seen Randy Moss play when he is healthy? I ask a stupid question because the only way you can continue to argue this is if you say, "No".

Did John Madden say "just chuck it up there dog" to describe Santana Moss?

If you really believe what you are spewing, God help you.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

You are 1000% wrong. Once again someone misuses stats to argue a bogus point.

Have you ever seen Randy Moss play when he is healthy? I ask a stupid question because the only way you can continue to argue this is if you say, "No".

It's not a bogus point. Let me keep it simple for you.

Randy Moss= Go deep and jump for ball, catch ball.

Santanna Moss= Short route, catch ball, then run with ball.

Two different types of player!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If Brady was the Tom Brady from NE...not a whole lot would be different. Brady still plays a really conservative game. I mean, certainly you've realized this. Why do you think his INT totals are so low? He plays it safe.

If we asked him to open it up, inevitably we'd get more mistakes.

Of course Brady>Brunell. He's considerably younger and a bit more efficient. No one is arguing the contrary. But its a reasonable comparision because they approach offense fairly similarly.

Aggressive does not always equal better. Aggressive is one thing. Better is something else.

I don't know about that. I watch this guy constantly throw deep over the middle to the TE all the time. I mean all the time. And I've seen them open it up many times. Example. Minnesota on Mon. night. They just went to 4-5 wr sets the whole game. Didn't even bother running the ball that much casue they knew it was going to be tough to run against Minn. So they just said the hell with this. We will just throw it on these guys. I also remember NE doing the same thing to Chi. Just the fact that they would even try that type of game plan w/ below average wr's tell's you the confidence the coaching staff has in Brady. No way could our offense EVER do that, or would we ever even try and do that. W/ our offense we have the "we must run to win" mentality. And that is what I love about the NE coaching staff. They have the "do what it takes to win" mentality.

Brady's INT totals are low because he's a great QB who see's the entire field. He has the ability to come off to his 2nd, 3rd and 4th options. It's not because he isn't aggressive. Not at all.

I'm hoping we see a little more of an open offense this year. It's all going to depend if JC can handle it.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Randy Moss is not a posession receiver. He is the best deep threat in the history of the league. Bar none.

Come on now.

he WAS one of the best deep threat wr. i'm not sure about "all time". he has not been very good lately, i do understand he was on the raiders but still he has not been good as of late. he may return to form with the pats and once again become a very good deep threat. but if given the choice, i would take santanna over randy. santanna is the better all around wr. santanna is a threat every time he touches the ball, not just a deep threat like randy used to be.

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Originally Posted by wolfeskins

he WAS one of the best deep threat wr. i'm not sure about "all time". he has not been very good lately, i do understand he was on the raiders but still he has not been good as of late. he may return to form with the pats and once again become a very good deep threat. but if given the choice, i would take santanna over randy. santanna is the better all around wr. santanna is a threat every time he touches the ball, not just a deep threat like randy used to be.

I have nothing else to say. Watch Randy play this year and talk to me 12 months from now. Just like my Keyshawn point last year.

I will take any bet on the side that Randy has more TD's and yards than Santana in 2007. Anyone willing to put their money where their mouth is, private message me.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I have nothing else to say. Watch Randy play this year and talk to me 12 months from now. Just like my Keyshawn point last year.

I will take any bet on the side that Randy has more TD's and yards than Santana in 2007. Anyone willing to put their money where their mouth is, private message me.

I agree. I think Moss is going to have a huge year.

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I agree. I think Moss is going to have a huge year.

I think that both will have good years. Personally, I think that Santana could go for 1100 and 7 tds and that is a great year, especially since CP is going to have close to 2000 total yards and 15+ tds.

Randy will have at least 1400 yards and 14+ TD's. Does that mean Santana is not a Pro-bowl wide receiver? In the NFC he is. In the AFC he is lucky to be in the top 7. Indy and Cincy will have two receivers on each squad who are more productive.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't know about that. I watch this guy constantly throw deep over the middle to the TE all the time. I mean all the time. And I've seen them open it up many times. Example. Minnesota on Mon. night. They just went to 4-5 wr sets the whole game. Didn't even bother running the ball that much casue they knew it was going to be tough to run against Minn. So they just said the hell with this. We will just throw it on these guys. I also remember NE doing the same thing to Chi. Just the fact that they would even try that type of game plan w/ below average wr's tell's you the confidence the coaching staff has in Brady. No way could our offense EVER do that, or would we ever even try and do that. W/ our offense we have the "we must run to win" mentality. And that is what I love about the NE coaching staff. They have the "do what it takes to win" mentality.

Brady's INT totals are low because he's a great QB who see's the entire field. He has the ability to come off to his 2nd, 3rd and 4th options. It's not because he isn't aggressive. Not at all.

I'm hoping we see a little more of an open offense this year. It's all going to depend if JC can handle it.

Ok. You have some solid points with the flexibility of the NE offense, and having a QB of Brady's caliber certainly gives them that flexibility, but spreading the defense out does not necessarily imply aggression. I mean they can be and usually are very safe and smart with their throws, and it's a credit to Tom Brady's patience as a QB.

And Mark Brunell certainly did not display the same level of patience as Brady did this year, but that was as much a function of some inconsistent protection as it was with age and fragility.

But once given the clear differences between a great 28 year old QB in the prime of his career and a once great 36 year old QB in the twilight of his career, its still not hard to see that they do a lot of stuff similar, even this year. Brady is obviously in a better situation as far as system and protection goes, whereas Brunell is in a better situation after the completion with guys like Moss and Cooley who excell after the catch.

Both guys do a great job in taking what the defense gives them. That doesn't translate to wins if you have the 32nd ranked defense, but both guys do their jobs.

Brady's INT totals are low because he's a great QB who see's the entire field. He has the ability to come off to his 2nd, 3rd and 4th options. It's not because he isn't aggressive. Not at all.

Replace "Brady's" with "Brunell's" and the statement stays accurate. I mean, the term "great" is quite subjective, but as far as 36 year old QBs go, I'd say Brunell is great for his age.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Randy will have at least 1400 yards and 14+ TD's. Does that mean Santana is not a Pro-bowl wide receiver? In the NFC he is. In the AFC he is lucky to be in the top 7. Indy and Cincy will have two receivers on each squad who are more productive.

If Randy Moss gets 1000 yards, I'd buy you a drink. Once I reach age.

Hell will freeze over before he gets 1400 again.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If Randy Moss gets 1000 yards, I'd buy you a drink. Once I reach age.

Hell will freeze over before he gets 1400 again.

I agree. As I said in an earlier post, no one in that NE offense catches 100 balls or gets 1000 yards. Especially with Stallworth, Welker, and Watson on the field with Moss. Also, Tom Brady's favorite WR is whoever's open. That won't help Moss' stats either. I predict 60-70 catches, 800-900 yds, 7 TDs...

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Originally Posted by GMScud

I agree. As I said in an earlier post, no one in that NE offense catches 100 balls or gets 1000 yards. Especially with Stallworth, Welker, and Watson on the field with Moss. Also, Tom Brady's favorite WR is whoever's open. That won't help Moss' stats either. I predict 60-70 catches, 800-900 yds, 7 TDs...

Trust me. I will be all over this board when Randy has 1000 yards in week 10.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Trust me. I will be all over this board when Randy has 1000 yards in week 10.

Cool. Hey, go check the link I posted on the Keyshawn thread.