Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?

[Cowell]

I honestly never thought Quinn was that good. I have a good friend who is a HUGE ND fan and won't shut up. He thinks that ND had the toughest schedule in the whole NCAA Division 1. Me being a Florida fan I beg to differ, but even if I wasn't a Florida fan, ND plays teams that were good... 40 yeas ago, and when Brady did play a higher tier team he got trampled all over. This kid isn't a starter in the NFL.

[RFKRat]

Originally Posted by Cowell

I honestly never thought Quinn was that good. I have a good friend who is a HUGE ND fan and won't shut up. He thinks that ND had the toughest schedule in the whole NCAA Division 1. Me being a Florida fan I beg to differ, but even if I wasn't a Florida fan, ND plays teams that were good... 40 yeas ago, and when Brady did play a higher tier team he got trampled all over. This kid isn't a starter in the NFL.

Posts like this make me laugh. I'm not a supporter of either ND or Fla, but give me a break. It's funny how ND's schedule works. In Weis's first season, all the "experts" looked at their schedule and said ND would start 0-6 and like 2-8. ND then went out and won most of those games, including coming within an inch of knocking off USC, and then their schedule became "soft" because most of their opponents were having down years, as if that was ND's problem when they scheduled them anywhere from 5-10 years earlier. This season it will be the same way. They play at Michigan and Penn State back to back, early in the season..they also play USC and UCLA within two weeks of each other. That's a brutal slate right there. Sure they have the occasional cupcake on there...like Navy (who's actually been a Bowl team in many recent years) or Duke this season.

But give me a break...Quinn's played in many high-profile games and despite limited running help, weak offensive lines, he's done very well...of course he'll be a good starter in the NFL. The fact that teams passed on him is because most teams this draft didn't need a QB, pure and simple. The only one that did pass who needed a QB was the Dolphins.

And Florida? Please. Sure they play in the SEC and have their share of tough conference games. But they also get to beat on wimps like Vandy, Kentucky, Miss State, etc regularly. And their non conference schedule is a joke, except when Fla State is good. Some of Fla's recent non-con opponents? Central Fla, Western Carolina??? (I-AA? at least ND doesn't schedule those)...Wyoming, La Tech, Eastern Michigan, Middle Tenn State, SJ State....shoot, when's the last time Florida played a challenging road game outside the SEC, or even the state of Florida? When's the last time they went to like USC, or Penn State, or Michigan or Nebraska? 20 years? 25?

To answer the original question both sides should meet halfway and get the kid into camp.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RFKRat

Posts like this make me laugh. I'm not a supporter of either ND or Fla, but give me a break. It's funny how ND's schedule works. In Weis's first season, all the "experts" looked at their schedule and said ND would start 0-6 and like 2-8. ND then went out and won most of those games, including coming within an inch of knocking off USC, and then their schedule became "soft" because most of their opponents were having down years, as if that was ND's problem when they scheduled them anywhere from 5-10 years earlier. This season it will be the same way. They play at Michigan and Penn State back to back, early in the season..they also play USC and UCLA within two weeks of each other. That's a brutal slate right there. Sure they have the occasional cupcake on there...like Navy (who's actually been a Bowl team in many recent years) or Duke this season.

But give me a break...Quinn's played in many high-profile games and despite limited running help, weak offensive lines, he's done very well...of course he'll be a good starter in the NFL. The fact that teams passed on him is because most teams this draft didn't need a QB, pure and simple. The only one that did pass who needed a QB was the Dolphins.

And Florida? Please. Sure they play in the SEC and have their share of tough conference games. But they also get to beat on wimps like Vandy, Kentucky, Miss State, etc regularly. And their non conference schedule is a joke, except when Fla State is good. Some of Fla's recent non-con opponents? Central Fla, Western Carolina??? (I-AA? at least ND doesn't schedule those)...Wyoming, La Tech, Eastern Michigan, Middle Tenn State, SJ State....shoot, when's the last time Florida played a challenging road game outside the SEC, or even the state of Florida? When's the last time they went to like USC, or Penn State, or Michigan or Nebraska? 20 years? 25?

To answer the original question both sides should meet halfway and get the kid into camp.

Can't remember where I read it, but ND's strength of schedule last year was in the top 10. Their first 5 games were played against teams who went into the game undefeated. And yes, Stanford, Air Force, Army, and North Carolina are cupcakes, but you'd be hard pressed to find a top 25 team that doesn't have a ton of cupcakes on its schedule.

Or you could be Boise State, have no one on your schedule, and then play the worst team to win a BCS conference in the Fiesta Bowl.

And then somebody gives you a first place vote for no reason, because you didn't lose to teams way worse than you.

No uproar over that one...

[firstdown]

If I'm a player I would be looking for the best deal that I could sign my name too. After all is said and done this is still a business and teams will cut you just as fast as they can when they feel you no longer have any value to them so why shouldn't a player want his best pay day that they can get. This could be the only deal he ever gets as he could get injured and never have the chance to strike another deal. Does anyone have any idea what Quinn is even trying to get or what the Browns are even offering him?

[MTK]

Quinn has to do what he and his agent feels is right. I think it's a shame that he's blowing his chance to start the season as the starter, but I'm not sure which side is more to blame here. Holdouts stink, but it's part of the business side of the game.

[Skinsfanmania]

Brady Quinn is only screwing himself! He may be holding out for a bigger contract because he wants top 10 money, but he's also not going to start as he probably would've been if he was in camp on time.

Training camp is essential for young players, as they don't get the reps during the season.

Quinn should probably get paid like the 15th player taken in the draft so that would be meeting somewhere in the middle, but when it comes down to it he is missing out on valuable experience that is worth millions to a rookie. His contract will have triggers in it so he can meet certain levels and get his bonus, such as number of starts. This season because of the holdout he won't reach this trigger.

You have to put some of the blame on the damn agent, but in the end it is the players fault, because the agent is working for the player and the player needs to take some responsibility.

[SmootSmack]

No one's getting testy with you Tripp. And if you're already testy then leave the board for a while and come back when you're not.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No one's getting testy with you Tripp. And if you're already testy then leave the board for a while and come back when you're not.

I can keep myself under control.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I can keep myself under control.

Ok then

[SmootSmack]

We've already the Manning v. Brady debate back in February. No need to bring it up again here.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We've already the Manning v. Brady debate back in February. No need to bring it up again here.

Good point...there is no debate, Manning is better.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Good point...there is no debate, Manning is better.

You might have just set a classic debate back to the dark ages with that kind of cutting edge assessment. Not really.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

You might have just set a classic debate back to the dark ages with that kind of cutting edge assessment. Not really.

<resists urge to repeat last 6 posts>

[wilsowilso]

I think Brady Quinn reminds me of Jake Plummer because of his athleticism and his swagger. Whenever Brady Quinn is surrounded by inferior talent like you say he had at ND I just don't think that he can make up the difference. At times Plummer showed that he could guide an inferior team to victory. The very good to great pro QB's can do exactly that on a regular basis. I guess calling him Jake Plummer Light was too harsh. Let's just call him Jake Plummer Like in my book.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I think Brady Quinn reminds me of Jake Plummer because of his athleticism and his swagger. Whenever Brady Quinn is surrounded by inferior talent like you say he had at ND I just don't think that he can make up the difference. At times Plummer showed that he could guide an inferior team to victory. The very good to great pro QB's can do exactly that on a regular basis. I guess calling him Jake Plummer Light was too harsh. Let's just call him Jake Plummer Like in my book.

So you were saying that he reminds you of Jake Plummer, not that he will actually play like Jake Plummer?

Brady Quinn is a much better QB prospect than Plummer was though. Plummer wasn't a bad prospect, but he was below average.

I don't know too many QBs who can consistently guide an inferior team to victory. Your boy Tom Brady couldn't, Carson Palmer didn't, Vince Young did but only in college when he was athletically superior to everyone on the field. Peyton Manning...maybe, but even he couldn't consistently beat a superior team.

If you apply the same standard you are putting on Quinn to every prospective NFL QB, that he has to beat superior teams, I don't think you'd find a good one. Seemingly you not only have unrealistic expectations for Quinn, but a lot of other QBs, assuming no bias.

But I guess thats just my opinion of the situation.