ST Murder Investigation Thread

SC Skins Fan · 11-30-2007, 01:48 PM

So when can we change the stock narrative from "young black man with troubled past is killed and no one is surprised" to "a young man who was doing everything right was killed trying to protect his family from criminals who wanted some money." When do we get an apology from all the writers who said they were not surprised at all and they just knew this would happen? I suspect we don't, but if this story continues to play out as it currently is going then I think every last one of them owes Sean Taylor AT LEAST that.

BleedBurgundy · 11-30-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

So when can we change the stock narrative from "young black man with troubled past is killed and no one is surprised" to "a young man who was doing everything right was killed trying to protect his family from criminals who wanted some money." When do we get an apology from all the writers who said they were not surprised at all and they just knew this would happen? I suspect we don't, but if this story continues to play out as it currently is going then I think every last one of them owes Sean Taylor AT LEAST that.

That's a real good question. I could regain SOME of my respect for certain talking heads if they would at least man up and admit that this isn't a case of ST's past coming back at him.

12thMan · 11-30-2007, 01:57 PM

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That's a real good question. I could regain SOME of my respect for certain talking heads if they would at least man up and admit that this isn't a case of ST's past coming back at him.

You know if this for reason turns out to be random, I wonder exactly will Mike Wilbon say then.

BleedBurgundy · 11-30-2007, 01:59 PM

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You know if this for reason turns out to be random, I wonder exactly will Mike Wilbon say then.

Probably nothing. I would hope for more... but... I don't think it will happen unless he is publicly called out on it.

Dlyne8r · 11-30-2007, 01:45 PM

I so hope that ultimately those responsible are NOT from ST's past and people will honor his time here with us instead of continually dredging up his previous relationships.

12thMan · 11-30-2007, 02:02 PM

I tell you one thing that has absolutely been eating me up since Taylor passed away, this whole thing that he's "turning his life around" or "getting on track" or "getting his life together." While that may have been true, you rarely heard that he's simply maturing into an adult.

I can't remember which thread it was, but 70Chip really summed up a lot of misperceptions about Sean Taylor better than anyone I've seen or heard.

BleedBurgundy · 11-30-2007, 02:19 PM

Yeah, it's pretty shady how this man's memory was treated. Not so much for us, since I think we pretty much knew all of that to be B.S. but for a lot of people who didn't know much about ST, they might think some thug got shot because he was a thug, nothing more. And that is truly a shame.

rypper11 · 11-30-2007, 03:08 PM

According to the Miami Hearld it appears that he was targeted but not because of the reasons that Cowtud and Wilbonehead seem to think. He was targeted because he had money and nobody expected him to be home seven hours after a game. Maybe the headlines will stop refering to his race (as if that ever made a difference) and focused on his age and who he was. Call me an ignorant white guy, but why is black on black crime worse than any other murder?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-30-2007, 03:26 PM

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According to the Miami Hearld it appears that he was targeted but not because of the reasons that Cowtud and Wilbonehead seem to think. He was targeted because he had money and nobody expected him to be home seven hours after a game. Maybe the headlines will stop refering to his race (as if that ever made a difference) and focused on his age and who he was. Call me an ignorant white guy, but why is black on black crime worse than any other murder?

Cowturd offered a reasonable account for his speculation the other day. He basically said that people can reasonably speculate as to why Sean was murdered and that it was reasonable to theorize that Sean was murdered by someone he knew from his past. He admitted that he could be wrong, but bragged about his track record of being right. Hopefully these three detainees are the killers, the detainees do not know Sean, and Cowturd will eat crow.

I can't wait for members of the media who were so convinced Sean's past killed him to eat crow. You'd think that prominent members of the press would not rush to judgment. Speculation is fine provided it is reasonable and is labeled speculation.....it's another matter when the speculation is unreasonable and/or presented as virtual fact.

redsk1 · 11-30-2007, 03:34 PM

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Cowturd offered a reasonable account for his speculation the other day. He basically said that people can reasonably speculate as to why Sean was murdered and that it was reasonable to theorize that Sean was murdered by someone he knew from his past. He admitted that he could be wrong, but bragged about his track record of being right. Hopefully these three detainees are the killers, the detainees do not know Sean, and Cowturd will eat crow.

I can't wait for members of the media who were so convinced Sean's past killed him to eat crow. You'd think that prominent members of the press would not rush to judgment. Speculation is fine provided it is reasonable and is labeled speculation.....it's another matter when the speculation is unreasonable and/or presented as virtual fact.

Agreed, i was trying to find the words to say what you just did.

redsk1 · 11-30-2007, 03:18 PM

I have always liked Wilbon. I didn't really agree too much w/ his article. On the surface though it would seem reasonable to suspect that it was not random, and was premeditated. Unfortunately, some facts got twisted around to make it seem like he was a target or some sort of payback.

I listed to everyones opinion and although most were cordial they rang w/ an underlying tone of his past catching up w/ him. Everyone jumped to this conclusion. If the most recent news is correct, I just hope everyone who jumped to this conclusion is aware of their error.

EternalEnigma21 · 11-30-2007, 03:50 PM

thats all fine and good, but his close friends and certainly his family have already been unjustly subjected to that bs at a devastating time. Can you imagine listening to the news of your son's death and hearing so many people in the media passing judgement on him based on pure speculation? Especially if he died defending his goddamn family...

tragic

Skinsfan1967 · 11-30-2007, 04:31 PM

I think the mother f ' er should get the death penaty. It should be done on the fifty yard line at either Fed Ex or the Orange Bowl In front of a sold out crowd. Then bury the bastard face down so he can see were he is going---straight to hell.

SC Skins Fan · 11-30-2007, 07:30 PM

New tidbit reported by the Miami-Herald and on JLC's blog. At least one of the men being questioned was at the house for a birthday party. So wonder if they are talking to these guys about who they talked to about the house or if they are genuine suspects. Guess we'll learn more as time goes on.

3 detained, 2 sought in Taylor homicide - 11/30/2007 - MiamiHerald.com

SmootSmack · 11-30-2007, 07:34 PM

For the purposes of keeping things from being too confusing. I'm going to lock this thread and move the discussion over here, where earlier today we started discussing the latest developments.

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locke...-look-1-a.html

Good thread we had here, just want to make sure information doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

11-30-2007, 01:48 PM	#1
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: ST Murder Investigation Thread So when can we change the stock narrative from "young black man with troubled past is killed and no one is surprised" to "a young man who was doing everything right was killed trying to protect his family from criminals who wanted some money." When do we get an apology from all the writers who said they were not surprised at all and they just knew this would happen? I suspect we don't, but if this story continues to play out as it currently is going then I think every last one of them owes Sean Taylor AT LEAST that. __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

11-30-2007, 01:45 PM	#5
Dlyne8r Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: W. Central Florida Posts: 599	Re: ST Murder Investigation Thread I so hope that ultimately those responsible are *NOT* from ST's past and people will honor his time here with us instead of continually dredging up his previous relationships. __________________ Charmed your drug addled candor knows no bounds

11-30-2007, 02:02 PM	#6
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: ST Murder Investigation Thread I tell you one thing that has absolutely been eating me up since Taylor passed away, this whole thing that he's "turning his life around" or "getting on track" or "getting his life together." While that may have been true, you rarely heard that he's simply maturing into an adult. I can't remember which thread it was, but 70Chip really summed up a lot of misperceptions about Sean Taylor better than anyone I've seen or heard.

11-30-2007, 02:19 PM	#7
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: ST Murder Investigation Thread Yeah, it's pretty shady how this man's memory was treated. Not so much for us, since I think we pretty much knew all of that to be B.S. but for a lot of people who didn't know much about ST, they might think some thug got shot because he was a thug, nothing more. And that is truly a shame. __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

11-30-2007, 03:08 PM	#8
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,228	Re: ST Murder Investigation Thread According to the Miami Hearld it appears that he was targeted but not because of the reasons that Cowtud and Wilbonehead seem to think. He was targeted because he had money and nobody expected him to be home seven hours after a game. Maybe the headlines will stop refering to his race (as if that ever made a difference) and focused on his age and who he was. Call me an ignorant white guy, but why is black on black crime worse than any other murder? __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

11-30-2007, 03:18 PM	#11
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: ST Murder Investigation Thread I have always liked Wilbon. I didn't really agree too much w/ his article. On the surface though it would seem reasonable to suspect that it was not random, and was premeditated. Unfortunately, some facts got twisted around to make it seem like he was a target or some sort of payback. I listed to everyones opinion and although most were cordial they rang w/ an underlying tone of his past catching up w/ him. Everyone jumped to this conclusion. If the most recent news is correct, I just hope everyone who jumped to this conclusion is aware of their error.

11-30-2007, 03:50 PM	#12
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 46 Posts: 2,958	Re: ST Murder Investigation Thread thats all fine and good, but his close friends and certainly his family have already been unjustly subjected to that bs at a devastating time. Can you imagine listening to the news of your son's death and hearing so many people in the media passing judgement on him based on pure speculation? Especially if he died defending his goddamn family... tragic __________________ I am the brute squad.

11-30-2007, 04:31 PM	#13
Skinsfan1967 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Frederick, Maryland Age: 59 Posts: 254	Re: ST Murder Investigation Thread I think the mother f ' er should get the death penaty. It should be done on the fifty yard line at either Fed Ex or the Orange Bowl In front of a sold out crowd. Then bury the bastard face down so he can see were he is going---straight to hell. __________________ Yellow41 on Redskinsheads

11-30-2007, 07:30 PM	#14
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: ST Murder Investigation Thread New tidbit reported by the Miami-Herald and on JLC's blog. At least one of the men being questioned was at the house for a birthday party. So wonder if they are talking to these guys about who they talked to about the house or if they are genuine suspects. Guess we'll learn more as time goes on. 3 detained, 2 sought in Taylor homicide - 11/30/2007 - MiamiHerald.com __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

11-30-2007, 07:34 PM	#15
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: ST Murder Investigation Thread For the purposes of keeping things from being too confusing. I'm going to lock this thread and move the discussion over here, where earlier today we started discussing the latest developments. http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locke...-look-1-a.html Good thread we had here, just want to make sure information doesn't get lost in the shuffle. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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