If Not Joe, Then Who?

dmek25 · 12-03-2007, 11:31 AM

cowher, hands down. has won at this level. and is up to date on coaching/ player management in today's game. i don't want Greg Williams running the show. i like Russ Grimm before Greg Williams

TheMalcolmConnection · 12-03-2007, 11:34 AM

Honestly, I don't think it would matter who we got as coach provided the core of the coaching staff remains the same.

I don't think it's the coaching so much as it's the execution. Sure, Gibbs made a FATAL mistake that almost any other coach in this league wouldn't make, but it wasn't him blocking, it wasn't him putting balls on the ground.

We have the talent, the execution is lacking and honestly I think we could have a figure head as coach next year and if we let Williams and Saunders run the show, we'd still have a good team.

MTK · 12-03-2007, 11:36 AM

First off I think Gibbs will be back for year 5.

Beyond that I would put my money on Williams getting a shot.

djdunick · 12-03-2007, 11:39 AM

Oh please no not Gibbs for year 5. He lacks the passion and motivational skills for this team. It breaks my heart that he couldn't succeed 2nd time around as I was so excited when he came back but let's face reality. This has been 4 years now. His record:

Yr 1 = 6-10
Yr 2 = 10-6
Yr 3 = 5-11
Yr 4 --- currently 5-7 on our way to 7-9 at best. We'll win the Cowboy game because they won't play anyone but after that one all bets are off.

SFREDSKIN · 12-03-2007, 12:00 PM

I hope Gibbs comes back next year to prove everyone wrong. Is not his fault that he has a monumental # of injuries at critical times this season, it is his fault that he made a blunder yesterday (who wouldn't after a week like he had). The changes I would like to see are, as much as I love Bugel it's time for him to retire and pass the reins to Grimm (Skins should hire him and give him whatever title to get him in here) I would like the Skins to rehire our old trainer Dan Riley (now with the Texans) and get rid of our current one.

firstdown · 12-03-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I hope Gibbs comes back next year to prove everyone wrong. Is not his fault that he has a monumental # of injuries at critical times this season, it is his fault that he made a blunder yesterday (who wouldn't after a week like he had). The changes I would like to see are, as much as I love Bugel it's time for him to retire and pass the reins to Grimm (Skins should hire him and give him whatever title to get him in here) I would like the Skins to rehire our old trainer Dan Riley (now with the Texans) and get rid of our current one.

I have backed JG all the way but I'm starting to think its time for a change. I was not upset at timeout call as much as I was for his calls on our last series. We could not run the ball and they ran 3 time and all we needed was one 1st down. People can make the argument that JC has cost us some game with untimely picks but you have to go for 1st down when the game is on the line.

SmootSmack · 12-03-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I have backed JG all the way but I'm starting to think its time for a change. I was not upset at timeout call as much as I was for his calls on our last series. We could not run the ball and they ran 3 time and all we needed was one 1st down. People can make the argument that JC has cost us some game with untimely picks but you have to go for 1st down when the game is on the line.

So you're saying Saunders doesn't call the plays then

HOGTIMUS PRIME · 12-03-2007, 12:48 PM

I believe if he still has the fire to coach it has to be Cower, Williams IMO has regressed some in his ability to run a defense, I do not believe he is head coach material. Other than that I would look to an unproven coordinator and hope to get lucky, whom ever it is they need to be able to evaluate talent properly, that is another reason Cower would fit in here nicely. I know it would never happen but Marty Shott. might be a perfect fit with Saunders running the offense? He would at least rebuild this team in hurry.

Cowell · 12-03-2007, 03:52 PM

I think, that it will probably be Gregg Williams who steps up and fills the roll but I would love to see Danny bring in Bill Cowher. That guy can really build a football team and he has an eye for talent. Two things we really need.

70Chip · 12-03-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by djdunick

Oh please no not Gibbs for year 5. He lacks the passion and motivational skills for this team. It breaks my heart that he couldn't succeed 2nd time around as I was so excited when he came back but let's face reality. This has been 4 years now. His record:

Yr 1 = 6-10
Yr 2 = 10-6
Yr 3 = 5-11
Yr 4 --- currently 5-7 on our way to 7-9 at best. We'll win the Cowboy game because they won't play anyone but after that one all bets are off.

After that one? That's the last game of the year.

chocho · 12-03-2007, 12:30 PM

you have no faith in your coach... dont call yourself a fan

Ocliw · 12-03-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chocho

you have no faith in your coach... dont call yourself a fan

Here we go with the (Not a True Fan) crap again.Everyone in here is disappointed with the team. Have you been watching the games?

firstdown · 12-03-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chocho

you have no faith in your coach... dont call yourself a fan

Then a good fan as you must think you are can explain what Gibbs has done to give us faith.

SFREDSKIN · 12-03-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Then a good fan as you must think you are can explain what Gibbs has done to give us faith.

4 Superbowls, 3-1 record, second coming one playoff appearance, change in QB's and inheriting a mess takes time, you can't change over night. PATIENCE is what's needed, I say one more year and if he doesn't produce then you can call for his head. We are so close, if critical injuries and bad luck weren't a factor this would be a moot point. I think if anybody deserves one more chance it's Gibbs!!

mlmpetert · 12-03-2007, 05:53 PM

Im not a GW fan because of the Friend artical, so my comments are bias towards not haveing him as our next head coach.

I think the most important thing for this team is keeping Al Saunders one way or another (Head Coach or Offense Cord.).

The offense finnaly knows his system. This is JC's first year EVER (besides high school) of having the same offense as the prior year. I would hate to have him learn another system.
We have seen what our offense can do in every first half of every game this year (except NE), which makes me believe theres a underlying problem with our adjustments and half time pep talks, both which I think mainly fall on Joe.
Al talks to the media less then Joe and GW. Id rather have a coach that stays quite about team issues then one that allways ready to take on any question (The way NE handles the media)

I dont know if Al would be a good coach or not, but i dont think GW would be, and going after the all the big name coaches (like Cower) hasnt worked yet for us. Grimm didnt become head coach for Pitt for a reason, plus if we get him we likely loose Saunders since there both offensive guys.

Id rather have Al continue to just be O Cord. for now.

For the record I voted for other, maybe someone thats not a big name, a Deffensive guy since they seem to be livelier .

If we have to go with a big name to sell tickets and get me excited, just to later let me down I think Lou Holtz is the man. His "pep talks" always fire me up for some reason. Plus Pitt beat WVU this weekend and that's who he did his pep talk on this week, i bet Pitt was listening

View Poll Results: If Gibbs Doesn't Return, Who Should Be the Head Coach?
Bill Cowher	60	30.00%
Russ Grimm	45	22.50%
Al Saunders	9	4.50%
Gregg Williams	68	34.00%
Other (tell us who)	18	9.00%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll

12-03-2007, 11:31 AM	#1
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? cowher, hands down. has won at this level. and is up to date on coaching/ player management in today's game. i don't want Greg Williams running the show. i like Russ Grimm before Greg Williams __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

12-03-2007, 11:34 AM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? Honestly, I don't think it would matter who we got as coach provided the core of the coaching staff remains the same. I don't think it's the coaching so much as it's the execution. Sure, Gibbs made a FATAL mistake that almost any other coach in this league wouldn't make, but it wasn't him blocking, it wasn't him putting balls on the ground. We have the talent, the execution is lacking and honestly I think we could have a figure head as coach next year and if we let Williams and Saunders run the show, we'd still have a good team. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

12-03-2007, 11:36 AM	#3
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,038	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? First off I think Gibbs will be back for year 5. Beyond that I would put my money on Williams getting a shot. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-03-2007, 11:39 AM	#4
djdunick Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reisterstown, MD Age: 64 Posts: 141	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? Oh please no not Gibbs for year 5. He lacks the passion and motivational skills for this team. It breaks my heart that he couldn't succeed 2nd time around as I was so excited when he came back but let's face reality. This has been 4 years now. His record: Yr 1 = 6-10 Yr 2 = 10-6 Yr 3 = 5-11 Yr 4 --- currently 5-7 on our way to 7-9 at best. We'll win the Cowboy game because they won't play anyone but after that one all bets are off.

12-03-2007, 12:00 PM	#5
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I hope Gibbs comes back next year to prove everyone wrong. Is not his fault that he has a monumental # of injuries at critical times this season, it is his fault that he made a blunder yesterday (who wouldn't after a week like he had). The changes I would like to see are, as much as I love Bugel it's time for him to retire and pass the reins to Grimm (Skins should hire him and give him whatever title to get him in here) I would like the Skins to rehire our old trainer Dan Riley (now with the Texans) and get rid of our current one.

12-03-2007, 12:48 PM	#8
HOGTIMUS PRIME Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 101	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I believe if he still has the fire to coach it has to be Cower, Williams IMO has regressed some in his ability to run a defense, I do not believe he is head coach material. Other than that I would look to an unproven coordinator and hope to get lucky, whom ever it is they need to be able to evaluate talent properly, that is another reason Cower would fit in here nicely. I know it would never happen but Marty Shott. might be a perfect fit with Saunders running the offense? He would at least rebuild this team in hurry.

12-03-2007, 03:52 PM	#9
Cowell Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bluffton, South Carolina Posts: 803	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I think, that it will probably be Gregg Williams who steps up and fills the roll but I would love to see Danny bring in Bill Cowher. That guy can really build a football team and he has an eye for talent. Two things we really need.

12-03-2007, 12:30 PM	#11
chocho Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 13	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? you have no faith in your coach... dont call yourself a fan

12-03-2007, 05:53 PM	#15
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? Im not a GW fan because of the Friend artical, so my comments are bias towards not haveing him as our next head coach. I think the most important thing for this team is keeping Al Saunders one way or another (Head Coach or Offense Cord.). The offense finnaly knows his system. This is JC's first year EVER (besides high school) of having the same offense as the prior year. I would hate to have him learn another system. We have seen what our offense can do in every first half of every game this year (except NE), which makes me believe theres a underlying problem with our adjustments and half time pep talks, both which I think mainly fall on Joe. Al talks to the media less then Joe and GW. Id rather have a coach that stays quite about team issues then one that allways ready to take on any question (The way NE handles the media) I dont know if Al would be a good coach or not, but i dont think GW would be, and going after the all the big name coaches (like Cower) hasnt worked yet for us. Grimm didnt become head coach for Pitt for a reason, plus if we get him we likely loose Saunders since there both offensive guys. Id rather have Al continue to just be O Cord. for now. For the record I voted for other, maybe someone thats not a big name, a Deffensive guy since they seem to be livelier . If we have to go with a big name to sell tickets and get me excited, just to later let me down I think Lou Holtz is the man. His "pep talks" always fire me up for some reason. Plus Pitt beat WVU this weekend and that's who he did his pep talk on this week, i bet Pitt was listening

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