Can we now officially call Romo a choke artist?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

C'mon Schneed. The O-line was getting manhandled. The center kept screwing up. You can't blame him for getting frustrated with the O-line. I've seen Farve get on his guys for running the wrong routes. But it's funny when Farve does it it's leadership. Romo could have played better. No doubt about it. But it didn't seem like he was getting much help.

Can anyone around here actually give the NYG some credit?? 9 straight road wins in the NFL is just ridiculous.

Yeah they were not keeping guys off Romo, true. But step up and take a 5 yard sack, don't run back and take a 10 yard one. And don't commit intentional grounding. And don't bitch at your offensive line in the middle of the game - exactly what does that accomplish?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah they were not keeping guys off Romo, true. But step up and take a 5 yard sack, don't run back and take a 10 yard one. And don't commit intentional grounding. And don't bitch at your offensive line in the middle of the game - exactly what does that accomplish?

No one is happier to see Romo fail than me, but I guess you've also got to consider that his scrambling and improvising back there in the pocket has also resulted in some pretty big plays this year as well. Right now that is his game and you've got to live and die with it (for now). As he gets older (and slower) that will have to change. He almost got away a couple of times even towards the end of the Giants game, the problem at the end was that the Giants had 3 and 4 guys coming at him in waves rather than just one guy getting free. Have to give the credit to the Giants defense, they really played well, especially at the end when the stopped the Cowboys even when they had good field positions and multiple opportunities to win the game.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't call Romo a choke artist, anymore than I would call JC a choke artist. When you are playing from behind it becomes more likely that you're going to make a mistake (unless you're one of the all-time greats).

T.O.'s tearful presser notwithstanding, I would be concerned if my QB was hanging out with a pop star in Mexico rather than prepping for the game in his down time before a divisional playoff game. That's not just the media, that's an indication of how seriously you take the game. I also heard some Cowboys were at the National Championship game on Monday night. Not that they lost the game because of those things, but in a close matchup any little edge could help. You've got the offseason for those things.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah they were not keeping guys off Romo, true. But step up and take a 5 yard sack, don't run back and take a 10 yard one. And don't commit intentional grounding. And don't bitch at your offensive line in the middle of the game - exactly what does that accomplish?

I don't have a problem with him bitching at the line. I've seen alot of QB's do that. Hell, Collins was bitching out Sellers right on the field for messing up. That shit happens all the time. The other stuff is just his style of play. He's not a stand in the pocket and stare down the rush kind of guy. He's more of a street ball type of guy. He tries to run around and make plays. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

I'm not sticking up for the guy. He made his share of mistakes. No doubt about it. I just hate it when people seem to blame one guy when it's the whole team that lost the game.

All QB's do some stupid shit when they've been knocked around by 280lb strong as hell NFL DE's. Look at Collins last week? He didn't look like the same guy we'd seen the previous weeks when the line was protecting him did he?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

0-2 in the playoffs, a 13-3 team gets bounced from the divisional round, what do you think?

Does Romo = choker?

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STUPID THREAD. Why is it that most of the Redskin fans just don't like Romo and Brady? I think it's personal just cause they date hot women, they are good at what they do and they are good looking guys. Personally I don't think Romo is all that good looking, but that's me. A long time ago we had a QB just like these guys. His name was Joe Thiesmann.

Did you actually watch the game? If so how can you call Romo a choker? The guy was under serious pressure all game long. Give the Giants some credit cause they can rush the passer with their front 4. What about throwing some blame to Crayton for dropping a potential TD? What about Jason Garrett who IMO called a shitty game and seemed to go away from the running game? I'm with TO on this one. It's a total team loss!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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STUPID THREAD. Why is it that most of the Redskin fans just don't like Romo and Brady? I think it's personal just cause they date hot women, they are good at what they do and they are good looking guys. Personally I don't think Romo is all that good looking, but that's me. A long time ago we had a QB just like these guys. His name was Joe Thiesmann.

Did you actually watch the game? If so how can you call Romo a choker? The guy was under serious pressure all game long. Give the Giants some credit cause they can rush the passer with their front 4. What about throwing some blame to Crayton for dropping a potential TD? What about Jason Garrett who IMO called a shitty game and seemed to go away from the running game? I'm with TO on this one. It's a total team loss!

Because he was bitching at his offensive line, playing frantically when under pressure, was taking huge sacks (10-12 yard losses) instead of standing in, stepping up in the pocket, and taking the sack for just a 5 yard loss. He also got called for a key intentional grounding penalty helping to kill one of his drives. He was in the pocket and purposely heaved it practically into the stands. Then on another play, he had rolled out of the pocket but failed to throw the ball away (which would not have been intentional grounding) and instead took a huge sack. You could tell he was rattled and wasn't using his head.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Because he was bitching at his offensive line, playing frantically when under pressure, was taking huge sacks (10-12 yard losses) instead of standing in, stepping up in the pocket, and taking the sack for just a 5 yard loss. He also got called for a key intentional grounding penalty helping to kill one of his drives. He was in the pocket and purposely heaved it practically into the stands. Then on another play, he had rolled out of the pocket but failed to throw the ball away (which would not have been intentional grounding) and instead took a huge sack. You could tell he was rattled and wasn't using his head.

If I'm a Cowboys fan this would drive me NUTS about him. People have figured out that he's going to run away from pressure and try to throw on the run rather than in the pocket. He keeps running back ten to twenty yards and either heaves it up, PRAYING someone comes down with it or takes a HUGE sack.

And no skinsfan69, it's not because they date hot chicks, most of us here date or are married to hot chicks. It's because they are total douches, and at least Brady unlike Romo takes some responsibility for his team.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Because he was bitching at his offensive line, playing frantically when under pressure, was taking huge sacks (10-12 yard losses) instead of standing in, stepping up in the pocket, and taking the sack for just a 5 yard loss. He also got called for a key intentional grounding penalty helping to kill one of his drives. He was in the pocket and purposely heaved it practically into the stands. Then on another play, he had rolled out of the pocket but failed to throw the ball away (which would not have been intentional grounding) and instead took a huge sack. You could tell he was rattled and wasn't using his head.

I agree. He was rattled. But I don't see many QB's in the NFL that don't get rattled when they are under pressure. No question he screwed up. But what about Dallas getting beat on special teams? Allowing two big returns that set up NYG scores? All the blame gets thrown to Romo. He should get some blame but to call him a choker is just going too far.

[coggs]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I agree. He was rattled. But I don't see many QB's in the NFL that don't get rattled when they are under pressure. No question he screwed up. But what about Dallas getting beat on special teams? Allowing two big returns that set up NYG scores? All the blame gets thrown to Romo. He should get some blame but to call him a choker is just going too far.

Agreed. Crayton dropped 2 passes, one which probably would have been a TD in the 2nd half. Owens dropped 2 passes. Then the special teams. After the cowb!tches went up 17-14, the Giants returned the kick to mid-field. Giants got a first down and Ware had the huge sack. B!tches got the ball back and the punt coverage let them down.

[QBall]

Yeah he's the worst. After that loss he said he felt comfortable in his own skin and confident in his decisions.

Then you have poor (Forest Gump) Wade Phillips with 30 seconds left and Vulture Owner Jones breathing down his neck. It reminded me off that funny schene in Goodfellas where Joe Pesci hits the guy in the head with a bottle in the restaurant after he emabarrassed Joe about owing money for the check.

Dallas has no playoff win for 12 straight years!!

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by coggs

Agreed. Crayton dropped 2 passes, one which probably would have been a TD in the 2nd half. Owens dropped 2 passes. Then the special teams. After the cowb!tches went up 17-14, the Giants returned the kick to mid-field. Giants got a first down and Ware had the huge sack. B!tches got the ball back and the punt coverage let them down.

Fasano let one hit him the chest in the endzone, too. At first it looked like the Gints secondary got a hand on it to break it up, but the replay clearly showed he just missed it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by coggs

Agreed. Crayton dropped 2 passes, one which probably would have been a TD in the 2nd half. Owens dropped 2 passes. Then the special teams. After the cowb!tches went up 17-14, the Giants returned the kick to mid-field. Giants got a first down and Ware had the huge sack. B!tches got the ball back and the punt coverage let them down.

Congrats bro. The G-men are just balling right now. To win that many in a row on the road is just impressive.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Because he was bitching at his offensive line, playing frantically when under pressure, was taking huge sacks (10-12 yard losses) instead of standing in, stepping up in the pocket, and taking the sack for just a 5 yard loss. He also got called for a key intentional grounding penalty helping to kill one of his drives. He was in the pocket and purposely heaved it practically into the stands. Then on another play, he had rolled out of the pocket but failed to throw the ball away (which would not have been intentional grounding) and instead took a huge sack. You could tell he was rattled and wasn't using his head.

Schneed that is an excellent point, my brother noticed that too, that seems to be the one big critism of Tony Romo.

[coggs]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

0-2 in the playoffs, a 13-3 team gets bounced from the divisional round, what do you think?

Does Romo = choker?

"The Cowboys did not choke. The Giants choked them..."-Mike Vaccaro, NY Post

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by coggs

"The Cowboys did not choke. The Giants choked them..."-Mike Vaccaro, NY Post

I agree with this. The Giants won this game.

Romo's not a choke artist BECAUSE of this game. But he is a choke artist because he's so lousy coming down the stretch, and he's shown a tendency to get nervous and frantic in key moments of games (dropping the snap in Seattle - nerves), intentional grounding penalties against NYG (not thinking because he's not poised).

[Schneed10]

One of the things that never gets measured in a QB's numbers, at least not the traditional ones we look at (18-36 for 201 yards, one TD, one INT), is the sacks and sack yards he takes. Romo's got a bad habit of retreating from the rush and taking huge sacks kind of like Eli has done. Romo put his team into several 2nd and 20s in the 4th quarter yesterday by failing to get rid of the ball or failing to minimize the sack yardage he lost on the play.

When you're in the heat of the moment, someone with toughness and courage stands in and says "If I'm getting sacked, I'm going to stare them in the face as they're hitting me. Bring it on." Someone without leadership, who plays anxiously and frantically (and possibly a little fearfully), will retreat from the rush at times, and make bad decisions at others.

Tom Brady is the former. Tony Romo is the latter.