John McCain spreading fear about childhood vaccines

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Not really...but I will use terms that you all use. How else would you know who I was talking about?
Also, when he's 50% of both, he is neither, or both...whatever. If you must use a label, try malatto (sp?).

Why does it even matter? Why do you insist on labels?

If a dog is 100% pug, then he's a pug, yet if he's 50% pug, and 50% pomeranian, then he's a mutt. Not a pug.

If I ever saw a dog that was half pug, half pom, it'd either be severely cute or punished ugly.

Just lightening the tension.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

If I ever saw a dog that was half pug, half pom, it'd either be severely cute or punished ugly.

Just lightening the tension.

haha...yeah...true. There are some strange combo's out there though.

I actually don't see the point of continuing this conversation, it's going down a bad road, and it appears some can't see any other way of looking at things, and that's thier choice. No biggy. Anything about race is taboo in our country, you can't even talk about it without offending people. To me, there is only 1 solution, that's to break down that barrier. But I understand how others might not be ready, and some not willing.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WHy would you ASSUME I didn't know that? I have a 142 IQ and a master's degree...I am educated sir.
Now, if you knew what the one drop rule stood for, you'd know it started back in the 1910's or so, and you'd also know it does not apply outside of the USA, only we american's are hell bent on dividing. The main reason for the "one drop rule" was to keep white blood pure, and avoid interracial relationships. It's also extremely outdated.
But hey, if you want to use that kind of system, cause you just HAVE to divide everyone, more power to you. Don't deflect buddy.

Surely someone of your considerable erudition can recognize that I wasn't ADVOCATING the one drop rule, but rather, was trying to provide a historical frame for how we have traditionally understood and talked about race in this country.

But your posts have persuaded me and I am willing to move beyond race, like you. From now on race in America is not important. To paraphrase Steven Colbert, the only race that matters is American! Or to paraphrase you, there are no races, only mutts and purebreds.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

haha...yeah...true. There are some strange combo's out there though.

I actually don't see the point of continuing this conversation, it's going down a bad road, and it appears some can't see any other way of looking at things, and that's thier choice. No biggy. Anything about race is taboo in our country, you can't even talk about it without offending people. To me, there is only 1 solution, that's to break down that barrier. But I understand how others might not be ready, and some not willing.

3 Things you can't talk about with people: Race, religion, politics. Or as I was told, "The 3 things you shouldn't talk about at the dinner table."

You're gonna end up pissing off people no matter what side you take when it comes to those things.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Surely someone of your considerable erudition can recognize that I wasn't ADVOCATING the one drop rule, but rather, was trying to provide a historical frame for how we have traditionally understood and talked about race in this country.

But your posts have persuaded me and I am willing to move beyond race, like you. From now on race in America is not important. To paraphrase Steven Colbert, the only race that matters is American! Or to paraphrase you, there are no races, only mutts and purebreds.

Sarcasm noted.

By the way, there is a huge difference between seeing shades of COLOR, and using color as a means of separation.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

3 Things you can't talk about with people: Race, religion, politics. Or as I was told, "The 3 things you shouldn't talk about at the dinner table."

You're gonna end up pissing off people no matter what side you take when it comes to those things.

Yup...I've heard it a ton of times, and yet I always seem to think that people are well adjusted enough to discuss it. I'm always proven wrong.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Why does it even matter? Why do you insist on labels?

I'm not sure when you became color blind. You once commented on how most black QBs are scrambling QBs. You also said the only reason why people were defending Ty Willingham after he got fired was because he was black. You also said that the NBA discriminates against whites. You also noted that the Dems "are throwing every kind of minority into the ring" (referring to Richardson, Obama, and Hillary). The point being that we all see color whether we want to or not, including you and me.

In any event, I agree that the only way to end race problems is to start breaking down barriers. To that end, interracial key party at jsarno's place tomorrow night at 5:00. I'll bring the drinks.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'm not sure when you became color blind. You once commented on how most black QBs are scrambling QBs. You also said the only reason why people were defending Ty Willingham after he got fired was because he was black. You also said that the NBA discriminates against whites. You also noted that the Dems "are throwing every kind of minority into the ring" (referring to Richardson, Obama, and Hillary). The point being that we all see color whether we want to or not, including you and me.

In any event, I agree that the only way to end race problems is to start breaking down barriers. To that end, interracial key party at jsarno's place tomorrow night at 5:00. I'll bring the drinks.

You obviously ignored this:

By the way, there is a huge difference between seeing shades of COLOR, and using color as a means of separation.

I never once said I was "color blind", you said it. I said I don't see color in people. I see the actual color of their skin, but that means nothing to me. (is that a better explanation for you since you seem hell bent on going on and on and on about this?)

I am uncertain as to why you brought all those up other than you are not understanding what I am saying. Am I not supposed to recognize racism? I am aware it exists, and I recognize how people treat each other.
Like I said, there is a big difference between seeing shades of color, and using color as a means of separation.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'm not sure when you became color blind. You once commented on how most black QBs are scrambling QBs. You also said the only reason why people were defending Ty Willingham after he got fired was because he was black. You also said that the NBA discriminates against whites. You also noted that the Dems "are throwing every kind of minority into the ring" (referring to Richardson, Obama, and Hillary). The point being that we all see color whether we want to or not, including you and me.

In any event, I agree that the only way to end race problems is to start breaking down barriers. To that end, interracial key party at jsarno's place tomorrow night at 5:00. I'll bring the drinks.

Damn SGG, backing up your shit! Can't hate on that. *fist pound*

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I never once said I was "color blind", you said it. I said I don't see color in people. I see the actual color of their skin, but that means nothing to me.

As you noted, you said, "I don't see color." I don't see how that's any different than being color blind, but maybe I have a fuzzy understanding of what "color blind" means. But, I'm not "hell bent" on going on and on about this issue. I was just trying to clarify your position.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WHy would you ASSUME I didn't know that? I have a 142 IQ and a master's degree...I am educated sir.
Now, if you knew what the one drop rule stood for, you'd know it started back in the 1910's or so, and you'd also know it does not apply outside of the USA, only we american's are hell bent on dividing. The main reason for the "one drop rule" was to keep white blood pure, and avoid interracial relationships. It's also extremely outdated.
But hey, if you want to use that kind of system, cause you just HAVE to divide everyone, more power to you. Don't deflect buddy.

For someone who is insistent upon abolishing labels, it's kind of curious you had to drop the 142 IQ and master's degree note.

To us, you're just jsarno.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

For someone who is insistent upon abolishing labels, it's kind of curious you had to drop the 142 IQ and master's degree note.

To us, you're just jsarno.

i judge based on the content of the post. It's easy enough to prove education without having to declare mensa membership explicitly :P.

[FRPLG]

I honestly believe anyone who claims that the color of somone's Skins mean nothing to them is either A) full of sh*t or B) completely unself-aware.

It is beyond impossible to be able to see someone's skin color and to discard it completely. ANY PHYSICAL attribute that is discerned automatically forces our brains to categorize. I see a tall guy and I'll assume he played basketball. This is what we do. If you can actually see someone's skin color then it DOES affect your thinking about them. It is inescapable and completely natural. What matters is what does it make you think?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I honestly believe anyone who claims that the color of somone's Skins mean anything to them is either A) full of sh*t or B) completely unself-aware.

It is beyond impossible to be able to see someone's skin color and to discard it completely. ANY PHYSICAL attribute that is discerned automatically forces our brains to categorize. I see a tall guy and I'll assume he played basketball. This is what we do. If you can actually see someone's skin color then it DOES affect your thinking about them. It is inescapable and completely natural. What matters is what does it make you think?

Agree with the sentiment but I think you need to edit your first sentence (change anything to nothing)

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I honestly believe anyone who claims that the color of somone's Skins mean anything to them is either A) full of sh*t or B) completely unself-aware.

It is beyond impossible to be able to see someone's skin color and to discard it completely. ANY PHYSICAL attribute that is discerned automatically forces our brains to categorize. I see a tall guy and I'll assume he played basketball. This is what we do. If you can actually see someone's skin color then it DOES affect your thinking about them. It is inescapable and completely natural. What matters is what does it make you think?

I think you're right on, FRPLG.

Asking people to simply not see color at all is ridiculous. Every time we see someone we make judgments based on physical appearance. Skin color, hair color, eye color, clothing, height, weight, complexion, smell, etc. It's human nature and frankly it's the only thing we CAN see and analyze.

You might have the most wonderful, good heart in the world, but how can I see that? It's like people who think it doesn't matter how they dress. People, especially in the business world, WILL make a judgment about you to certain extent based on how you look and dress.

It's no different with race. Frankly, it's a little appalling that anyone might suggest we all be color blind because your color is part of your heritage, why would you simply want to ignore it? Your race traces back to your ancestors and your roots, it's something to be proud of not something to hope people completely ignore.

The problem is not in seeing color, but in negatively judging someone about a characteristic they can't change.

I'd say it's far more reasonable to judge someone based on their clothes, weight or other factors that they can control.

Sometimes we even make completely subconscious judgments based on physical traits. Studies have indicated that people will subconsciously pay more attention to people of above-average height and will tend to think they are more intimidating. Based on nothing else, a couple of extra inches in height makes people pay more attention. Incredible, and kind of useful for me since I'm 6'3.