What Is RIGHT with the Redskins?

[RMSkins]

I love our young safety tandem in LaRon Landry and Chris Horton.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Mr. Redskin is syntactically and grammatically challenged :confused: but his point about the absolute irrelevance of "Redskins profitability" is absolutely correct. Citing that as a "success" or "strength" of the Redskins organization is an important point for bankers who are considering lending Danny Boy some more money so he can buy up a couple more radio stations or an amusement park somewhere. For people who pay to get into games and buy Skins' gear, it is irrelevant at the very best. Redskin fans ought to want Super Bowl Trophies and parades - - while the team barely breaks even - - far more than a AAA credit rating for Danny Boy.


Those who think the profitability thing is important probably cannot wait for the annual evaluation by Forbes Magazine listing the putative value that they put on sports franchises so they can see the Redskins at or near the top of the list. I know that is always a big day on the calendar for me.


And don't forget that big ranking in Fortune Magazine when they list the richest people in the world and we all get to see Danny Boy on the list. Gives me goosebumps every time it happens.


Now, Mr. Redskin is wrong to say there is nothing right with this team. There are plenty of things to build on:

1. Good young QB.

2. One very good RB and a very good back-up RB.

3. One very good TE - - and a rookie TE who was really good in college but who hasn't yet shown anything at the NFL level.

4. Good defensive ends.

5. A very good MLB.

6. Two young OLBs who might actually learn how to play their position instead of trying to rely on "athleticism" to make every play.

7. One good young CB (Rogers), one physically talented young CB (Hall) and several able veteran CBs.

8. One excellent and one very good safety.

[GMScud]

Well I'm gonna ignore the recent negativity on this thread and just throw my two cents in regarding the thread title.

When you look at two football teams lined up pre-snap, 11 on 11, what should be right with a team should start at the core- the front lines on both sides- and be built around that. Unfortunately we don't have that, at least as far as offense is concerned.

However, as SportsCurmudgeon points out, we have some very solid complimentary pieces. I don't think we're too far off from taking this pretty average team to pretty good. We need to build up the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, particularly offense.

But we've got pass catchers, all of whom are under 30 (thrash aside), a pair of very good backs, a solid young QB, a monster FB, and a damn good good defense.

Fix the o-line up and get more comfortable in WCO, and we could contend.

[GTripp0012]

I'm finding as I sort out the Redskins-Ravens game, that the problem is not that we're out-personneled on the front five or front four (although, obviously, sans Samuels and Jansen this is a totally different issue), but that our backs are horrible at finding the guy they are supposed to block. The schemes are effective enough to work, but pass blocking on passing downs becomes a counting game so often, and the back is supposed to block the inside guy if he's got too many people to pick up, BUT a lot of times, we have enough guys to pick it up, and the backs go inside anyway.

This becomes a huge problem when Sellers/Portis DOESN'T think we have the right protection to pick up the blitz (actually a 4 man rush in many cases), but Campbell/the receivers counts the rushers and DOES think it's going to be picked up.

It's not that Campbell isn't looking to urgently getting the ball out, it's that he's got to allow the routes to develop, and he has no idea he's about to be killed from his blindside.

The result is a potential for turnovers. And it's not the fault of the offensive line, though I'm not sure whether it would kill Randy Thomas to help Jansen if no ones coming. We didn't extend his contract so he and Rabach could stand there.

The main point here is that we would actually be better off if the defense would send more than we could pick up. Because then Campbell would know that he's responsible for the outside guy, and he's athletic enough to evade him. But he has to know that he's not going to get blocked to do so.

[GTripp0012]

So when people say "we need to draft offensive lineman", what they really mean is that "we have to do a better job of protecting the QB". Because we do a piss poor job of the latter, but not always because of the former.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mr.Redskin

That is honestly the most disturbing comment I have ever read.

You think...lol...that b/c Snyder is making money.....lol....that somehow you or I but rather all of us should be happy during the season/after the season that the goal is to put money in his bank account other than stacking trophies by the podium for pressers than you have done your self in

....when the Giants held up that super bowl trophy were you boasting we are profitable ? or every team in our division has been to the SUper Bowl since us that its cool, we have a lucrative team???

B/c that is what your saying in your statement to me as you sit there with a smile like you dropped some knowledge.

I say your the one who needs to be educated or re-educated if you think you have already obtained this enlightenment and ask yourself....

Does the statement "Snyder is running this team into the ground" pertain only about money??

If you say it is all about money than you accept,forgive,and continue to serve/protect Snyder or any notion to exploit the fans hearts and dedication to simply become a football merchant at any costs.

Its not fair to call me out. I have points to make and I prefer to make those among our community and be challenged intelligently.

No one is challenging your right to make a point. However when you make a post like you did in a "What's RIGHT with the Skins" thread, expect to hear from those who have an opposite opinion especially when all you're throwing out is doom-n-gloom with no reason, thought, or facts to back up your points.

To the "running the franchise into the ground comment", let me "Drop some knowledge" as much as many fans love to bash Snyder and the way he markets and makes money for this franchise, keep in mind without the level of profitability we have the FO would not be able to jump on high $$ FAs or re-sign our key players to big $$$ before they hit the FA market. Yes, it sucks as a fan to pay high ticket prices and merchandise prices, but to make sure the franchise only needs to make decisions based on yearly cap numbers rather than overall profitability (see Bills, Bengals and others), it's a necessary evil. So sorry if it was the "most disturbing comment you've read", but it's reality.

I couldn't care less how much money Snyder puts in his pocket or radio stations / amusement parks he buys, all I care about is that the Skins never have to worry about not spending or doing something to help the team get better because of a money issue.

And....if you look at the Giants, Patriots, Cowboys, Steelers they are all very profitable franchises.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well I'm gonna ignore the recent negativity on this thread and just throw my two cents in regarding the thread title.

When you look at two football teams lined up pre-snap, 11 on 11, what should be right with a team should start at the core- the front lines on both sides- and be built around that. Unfortunately we don't have that, at least as far as offense is concerned.

However, as SportsCurmudgeon points out, we have some very solid complimentary pieces. I don't think we're too far off from taking this pretty average team to pretty good. We need to build up the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, particularly offense.

But we've got pass catchers, all of whom are under 30 (thrash aside), a pair of very good backs, a solid young QB, a monster FB, and a damn good good defense.

Fix the o-line up and get more comfortable in WCO, and we could contend.

Absolutely! We're not as bad as we sometimes look. Sometimes small, correctable things can make you look terrible when not executed properly. A couple of linemen, some more time in the WCO....we're closer than alot of people think. To hear some of our fellow posters you would think we'd be 0-13 since our personel and coaching supposedly "suck" so bad. It's a shame our rookies did'nt come in and tear up the league as some apparently thought they should, but given a little more time I think our rookies are going to turn out pretty good and our team as well. With growing, there are growing pains. No matter if we make the playoffs or not, I'm looking forward to next year because the WCO takes time and I believe we will get better.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mr.Redskin

A lot of talk, but your saying nothing. Where do I start playoffs, do you think we advanced or play well in those ??? Thats comical. We won 1 game (TY ST)

I'm not saying nothing....we made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years, most teams in the NFL can't say that.

Look, to call me out...are you standing by Snyder???

You're damn right I stand by the guy. Is he perfect, No. Has he made mistakes, absolutely. But he's a fan, like us. He grew up like many of us did watching the Skins in the 70s and the glory days of the 80s. The guy wants nothing more than to hoist multiple Super Bowl trophies. CRedskins made a great post (#72) that I agree with 100%.

No skins fan wants to see their team run into the ground. Do you not think they are the laughing stock?? Things are different out of the heart of Redskin land VA.

We weren't a laughingstock at 6-2. We weren't a laughingstock when we made the playoffs last year. The Redskins are definitely NOT a laughingstock. Detroit is a laughingstock, the Raiders are a laughingstock, the Bengals are a laughingstock.

Are you telling me this team is improving??? Thought not, missing the playoffs is SELF-DESTRUCTION.

Over the last 5 weeks, of course not. But are we imploding to the point we need to call for Snyder to sell the team???? Of course not.

You feel insulted b/c someone spoke down about the SKINS. Newsflash, you came out of a coma, either from 1991 or when Snyder took over.

Accept it for what it is a family member with 35 + years of season ticket holding and tired of problems not being addressed and they never will iif the problems are being treated as a good thing. Thats not how things change.

Grow up.

You appear to be very insulted because someone challenged your ridiculous post. If you're a 35+ year fan then you should know the history from when Snyder took over. Let me ask you a few questions, are the Skins better off now than they were in 2003? Is Snyder a better owner now than 5 years ago? Here's the most important....If Snyder did sell the team how many years do you think it would set the franchise back from being a playoff contender?

[GTripp0012]

What's right about the Redskins:

Greg Blache didn't blitz in the first half against Baltimore.

Joe Flacco completed two passes.

Hmmm. Never would have seen that one coming. If you take away the Portis fumble returned by Reed for a TD and rule him down via forward progress, we probably win the first half.

[30gut]

o Talent at the skill positions JC, CC, SM, ARE, CP, MS, LB
o Young talent at the skill positions waiting in the wings DT, MK, FD
o Solid defense, above average secondary
o Great MLB
o Pro-bowl LT
o Good KR

[A10sROCK]

Good defense, even though our DL is mediocre.

Clinton Portis. Close to MVP candidate.

Landry and Chris Horton.

Chris Cooley.

We have a decent-to-good team.

If we have a good 2009 draft with emphasis on the trenches; if we pick up some good FA - including a veteran QB and a big vet WR - we could definitely improve next season.

Zorn needs to replace himself with a better OC; he needs to dump Danny Smith as the ST coach.

Doing these things will make this team better and we could do much better in 2009.

[redskinguy]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm not saying nothing....we made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years, most teams in the NFL can't say that.


You're damn right I stand by the guy. Is he perfect, No. Has he made mistakes, absolutely. But he's a fan, like us. He grew up like many of us did watching the Skins in the 70s and the glory days of the 80s. The guy wants nothing more than to hoist multiple Super Bowl trophies. CRedskins made a great post (#72) that I agree with 100%.

We weren't a laughingstock at 6-2. We weren't a laughingstock when we made the playoffs last year. The Redskins are definitely NOT a laughingstock. Detroit is a laughingstock, the Raiders are a laughingstock, the Bengals are a laughingstock.


Over the last 5 weeks, of course not. But are we imploding to the point we need to call for Snyder to sell the team???? Of course not.


You appear to be very insulted because someone challenged your ridiculous post. If you're a 35+ year fan then you should know the history from when Snyder took over. Let me ask you a few questions, are the Skins better off now than they were in 2003? Is Snyder a better owner now than 5 years ago? Here's the most important....If Snyder did sell the team how many years do you think it would set the franchise back from being a playoff contender?

Wow, quote Mr.Redskin and use the forum to attack his views while wasting everyone's time and thread space over it.

Why don't you directly PM him or stop quoting people making your attacks public??? His statements aren't aimed at you! Thats not the way to handle disagreements. Grow up.

Too many of you girls are on the rag and catch feelings about statements not even directed at you. Grow up. Stop consoling and censoring your members viewpoint.

We can pop up anywhere at anytime.

Never has a Moderator NOT have stayed neutral but rather joined the resistance vs. the member w/o seniority.

Take your hands out of your neighbors pants fag's.

Spring bitches '09

[SmootSmack]

One post and gone. Banned

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

One post and gone. Banned

Eleven minutes? You're slipping

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

One post and gone. Banned

HA. That was reminiscent of that Cowboys fan (I forget his original user name) who got banned and kept on re-joining under a different name to continue to argue his case via the 3rd person (i.e. "what HE means is this, what HE said is this, etc). Pretty lame.