D.C. Examiner: Zorn's job in jeopardy? (not so fast he's coming back)

[hooskins]

what has happened to the new long time mindset?

has anyone heard the VC show, I am sure fans are calling him asking about it and CP's comments.

[WaldSkins]

Firing the coach is not going to get our lines to play better.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Firing the coach is not going to get our lines to play better.

Actually, it may.
Gibbs adjusted his playcalling to provide max protect.
Our same line last year was considered a strength....hmmm....
That is the difference in a hall of fame coach and a rookie....adjustments.

[rypper11]

Please, please please be crap.
If Cowher had come to the Skins in January we'd be looking at an even worse record now (unless his clout could have talked VC out of drafting 3 receivers). Cowher won one SB in 14 years with a 12-9 playoff record. Plus it took him 13 years to win the SB which Snyder would never be patient enough for. His two SB years he rode Dick Lebeau's defense. This guy is not the answer!
Frankly, I'm amazed at the number of wins Zorn got out of the talent currently on the team.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by rypper11

Please, please please be crap.
If Cowher had come to the Skins in January we'd be looking at an even worse record now (unless his clout could have talked VC out of drafting 3 receivers). Cowher won one SB in 14 years with a 12-9 playoff record. Plus it took him 13 years to win the SB which Snyder would never be patient enough for. His two SB years he rode Dick Lebeau's defense. This guy is not the answer!
Frankly, I'm amazed at the number of wins Zorn got out of the talent currently on the team.

Cowher=Schottenheimer

Actually Cowher is a little bit better due to superbowl win. But he's not going to be the solution.

[IowaSkinsFan]

No coach will succeed here until th talent evaluation improves, which means Cerrato has to go. He is on record as saying he doesn't like drafting lineman, he would rather 'get' them after they have proven themselves. Well, by the time we get them, the are the Bruce Smith's and Jason Taylor's of the world.

[SOUL-SKINS]

I'll be the 1st to say....i'm all for Bill Cowher. He's a proven winner. His teams always had great defenses and a great running game. He'll build our lines properly not just plugging the holes. Yeah our offense would be alittle boring but i want to ****ing win.
Listen, I like Zorn but not as a head coach. Hes great as a Qb coach but not HC.
I just don't want to waste 3 to 4 years seeing if Zorn pans out. Sweep this season under the rug hire Bill cut Suisham and we're going to the Superbowl...easy as that

[atomicnixon]

Even if we lose out and go 7-9, Zorn still should have a job next year. This is stupid, even as great a coach JG is, he went 6-10 his first year back, 8-8 (albeit after an 0-5 start) in his first year. Give Zorn some time, the personnel the JG put in place may be wrong for Zorn's offense. To call the offensive line bad is an understatement, Blache being a defensive line coach before should be able to get some pressure--another problem. If Clinton has such a big mouth, he deserves to be benched, he's injured no point in putting an early end to his career. We saw glimpses of what Devin Thomas can do--catch, so its not that bad. Remember when we fired Marty early? I thinks its too early to be calling for Zorn's head, give him at least another year if not more... great teams aren't born overnight or over an offseason... it takes time!

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by atomicnixon

Even if we lose out and go 7-9, Zorn still should have a job next year. This is stupid, even as great a coach JG is, he went 6-10 his first year back, 8-8 (albeit after an 0-5 start) in his first year. Give Zorn some time, the personnel the JG put in place may be wrong for Zorn's offense. To call the offensive line bad is an understatement, Blache being a defensive line coach before should be able to get some pressure--another problem. If Clinton has such a big mouth, he deserves to be benched, he's injured no point in putting an early end to his career. We saw glimpses of what Devin Thomas can do--catch, so its not that bad. Remember when we fired Marty early? I thinks its too early to be calling for Zorn's head, give him at least another year if not more... great teams aren't born overnight or over an offseason... it takes time!

good post!

[JWsleep]

Why in the world would Cowher want to come here now, especially if Zorn is getting shit-canned after just one year and the same thing happened to Marty? Why would a coach with a good rep ever get near this place? Makes no sense at all. It's not like we look so good that a coach can just walk in and win. You've got serious troubles on both lines. Plus, you've got a prima donna RB mouthing off in the media. And you've Vinny and Danny. Sure, the money would be good, but my guess is that's not enough for a coach like Cowher who's going to get big money wherever he goes. A few extra mil is not going to make a difference.

(I agree that the rumor is a BS piece by someone with a grudge. Plus, the one quote is basically a truism: of course the friggin honeymoon is over! We've lost 4 out of the last 5! Our offense is pathetic! Great story... )

[MTK]

If we tank these last 3 games I can honestly see a change, and it wouldn't surprise me at all especially if he's lost the locker room. The honeymoon is indeed over, last week kinda cemented it for me personally. The offense can't score and the protection schemes are a joke. I'm tired of it.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If we tank these last 3 games I can honestly see a change, and it wouldn't surprise me at all especially if he's lost the locker room. The honeymoon is indeed over, last week kinda cemented it for me personally. The offense can't score and the protection schemes are a joke. I'm tired of it.

From hip hip hooray to get the eff outta the way in such a short time. It's amazing how quickly fortunes change in the NFL. It's gotta be the most unforgiving (as far as performance) pro sports league around.

I'm tired of it too. If we don't fire Zorn, we need to hire an O-line coach who has worked with this kind of offense before. Maybe part of the reason we haven't drafted too many OL since Gibbs V2.0 is because Bugel had a track record of turning trash into gold. That's obviously not really the case anymore.

If we lose to Cincy this weekend, we will also lose to San Fran and Philly. From 6-2 to 7-9. That's what the Lions did last season.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If we tank these last 3 games I can honestly see a change, and it wouldn't surprise me at all especially if he's lost the locker room. The honeymoon is indeed over, last week kinda cemented it for me personally. The offense can't score and the protection schemes are a joke. I'm tired of it.

Well if we totally tank and mail it in and the team quits then yeah, that would be a problem. But this losing streak has been to teams who are not only better than us, but are matchup nightmares. While the playoffs are a stretch at this point, a dominating performance against the Bengals and solid showings against the Eagles and Niners would do a lot to calm everyone down.

The biggest thing that worries me is the way people seem to be turning on each other, from the coach down. Campbell's recent article arguing basically that it ain't my fault was troubling. Zorn's well discussed refusal to take any blame is more troubling. This isn't like Williams calling out Arch in film meetings. Although people will have issues invariably you have to be able to keep it in the bunker. And when people start delegating blame in the media that's a recipe for an unraveling. And that's what has me most worried.

[JWsleep]

I think a better move, PERHAPS, is getting an o-line coach who knows this kind of West coast system. I love Buges, but this is not his style, and the hybrid WC-Gibbs thing seems not to be working.

Still, if our players can't block on pass pro, I'm not sure what Zorn (or anyone) can really do. I've seen lots of failed one-on-one matchups as well as confusion.

[MTK]

I don't see the run game as the issue. Getting killed week after week by the same blitzes tells me it's a pass pro issue, mainly due to the scheme. It shouldn't take a genius to figure out how to scheme for an overload blitz. Right now Zorn seems to be either stumped over trying to stop it or he's flat out ignoring that it's an issue. JC has taken some wicked shots over the past few weeks. I swear it's Spurrier/Ramsey all over again.