On Blache

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think people on this board probably feel that our defense should be like the Ravens D, a defense that carries a team and wins games for them. I don't think our defense is like that and people expect too much out of it. Because of our offense, our defense right now keep us in a game for 3 quarters, but fizzles out in the 4th. For the umpteenth time I will say this: a lot of the problems in defense would be solved if the offense was able to: cut down in 3 and outs, score more points, and win the TOP battle.

Now, does our defense has its problems? Yes. Could they fix a lot of things? Yes. But they are not the only reason or the main reason why this team is failing. When the offense starts to keep the ball, score points, capitalize on good plays by the defense (key stops, INTs, fumble recoveries), and actually doing their fair share of the work, then you can criticize the defense if the team keeps losing.

I happen to think it'd be easier to improve the defense though.

[eddie lewis]

Bill Cowher will change our defense next year

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by eddie lewis

Bill Cowher will change our defense next year

changing the head coach ruins the point of changing the defensive coach.

Damnit, I think Snyder learned a lot from Gibbs. He hasn't acted like the owner he was before Gibbs in years.

[Hail to the Redskins]

I'm sorry but...

GTripp, Matty...

Game, Set, and Match for everyone who already knew that it is absolutely ludicrous to say our defense is even REMOTELY equally responsible for our season being a disappointment.

Today was a PERFECT example of all of the stats I've have shared for the past week... horrible offense (and yes, GTripp, I'd put our offense on in the same league as the Lions - I'll say it), above average/good defense (I never said ELITE defense, I said NOT equal to blame and NOT a below average pass defense!)

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

I'm sorry but...

GTripp, Matty...

Game, Set, and Match for everyone who already knew that it is absolutely ludicrous to say our defense is even REMOTELY equally responsible for our season being a disappointment.

Today was a PERFECT example of all of the stats I've have shared for the past week... horrible offense (and yes, GTripp, I'd put our offense on in the same league as the Lions - I'll say it), above average/good defense (I never said ELITE defense, I said NOT equal to blame and NOT a below average pass defense!)

Amen to that. Yes we need to change things in the defense, but to talk like they are the main problem is ridiculous.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

I'm sorry but...

GTripp, Matty...

Game, Set, and Match for everyone who already knew that it is absolutely ludicrous to say our defense is even REMOTELY equally responsible for our season being a disappointment.

Today was a PERFECT example of all of the stats I've have shared for the past week... horrible offense (and yes, GTripp, I'd put our offense on in the same league as the Lions - I'll say it), above average/good defense (I never said ELITE defense, I said NOT equal to blame and NOT a below average pass defense!)

Could not have said it any better.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

I'm sorry but...

GTripp, Matty...

Game, Set, and Match for everyone who already knew that it is absolutely ludicrous to say our defense is even REMOTELY equally responsible for our season being a disappointment.

Today was a PERFECT example of all of the stats I've have shared for the past week... horrible offense (and yes, GTripp, I'd put our offense on in the same league as the Lions - I'll say it), above average/good defense (I never said ELITE defense, I said NOT equal to blame and NOT a below average pass defense!)

Wrong. The defense played great, but they only blitzed once (that I saw). That was the point. Blache had been calling bad games, using ineffectual blitzes and unnecessarily putting pressure on the back end. Today he played coverage and, well you saw the results. You have to understand the argument to have a decent rebuttal. This game actually proved Tripp's point. Great defensive effort, great play calling by Blache.

[Hail to the Redskins]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Wrong. The defense played great, but they only blitzed once (that I saw). That was the point. Blache had been calling bad games, using ineffectual blitzes and unnecessarily putting pressure on the back end. Today he played coverage and, well you saw the results. You have to understand the argument to have a decent rebuttal. This game actually proved Tripp's point. Great defensive effort, great play calling by Blache.

1) You HONESTLY want to say we just blitzed once today?

2) So when we don't play run first, great play calling, but if we play run first, and don't get any pressure, terrible play calling & our pass defense is below average. (??)

you are right, it is hard to understand your argument.

Clear as day we are top 10 in run defense and pass defense...
ANY kind of "blitz percentage" or "yards per completion" argument is definitely not understood by me... I clearly am an idiot.

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Wrong. The defense played great, but they only blitzed once (that I saw). That was the point. Blache had been calling bad games, using ineffectual blitzes and unnecessarily putting pressure on the back end. Today he played coverage and, well you saw the results. You have to understand the argument to have a decent rebuttal. This game actually proved Tripp's point. Great defensive effort, great play calling by Blache.

They blitzed a few times. Overall, I'd say the individual effort was great, the playing calling decent. But they still went into the damn Prevent Winning D at the end of the game.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

Today was a PERFECT example of all of the stats I've have shared for the past week... horrible offense (and yes, GTripp, I'd put our offense on in the same league as the Lions - I'll say it), above average/good defense (I never said ELITE defense, I said NOT equal to blame and NOT a below average pass defense!)

Well, I'd say your assessment of the offense is pretty far out there as well, but necessary to support your assessment of the defense.

But I'm not going to bring up what you are wrong about this week. Because the defense was great this week. And while you've missed the point on the offense, in the 4th quarter they were every bit as bad as you claim they've been all year. So, while I'd like you to see the contrast between that ineffective 4th quarter offense, and the offense in the rest of the game/season I'll settle for the hard work that SC Skins Fan put into this thread to show exactly what I meant.

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Wrong. The defense played great, but they only blitzed once (that I saw). That was the point. Blache had been calling bad games, using ineffectual blitzes and unnecessarily putting pressure on the back end. Today he played coverage and, well you saw the results. You have to understand the argument to have a decent rebuttal. This game actually proved Tripp's point. Great defensive effort, great play calling by Blache.

Remember Hail, the only thing I ever said you were flat out wrong on was when you said PPG is the only stat that matters. I proved this pretty convincingly. And you never really disputed that. Skinsfan69 tried to, but that ended kind of ugly. This is the part that Matty was referring to.

Anyway, in the spirit of the holidays, let's both be right this week. I was right on Blache. You were right on the quality of the Blache-neutral defense. We beat the Eagles behind an outstanding performance from our defense. Seriously. This is a great week to be a Redskins fan.

[MTK]

I never said the D was equally responsible. At least get your facts straight if you're going to call someone out.

[Hail to the Redskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I never said the D was equally responsible. At least get your facts straight if you're going to call someone out.

When GTripp goes on and on to try and prove this, then you respond, (out of nowhere) "Game, set, and match, GTripp" ... then, yeah, you are supporting his argument right??

... let me just say... and if that pisses you off, well you know how I felt when threw your two cents in, (trying to make it seem like I'm somehow inferior to the guy) when you weren't even in the debate... your comment put you in, supporting him

Our defense is good enough to take an above average offense DEEP into the playoffs, at a minimum. An AVERAGE offense (you know, one that can score over 20 per game) would be a playoff team with this defense.... period.

I really don't mean to sound like a prick, but the whole argument just pissed me off all week. That a guy that's supposed to be the "guru" on this site gets supported by you and others when he says that our D is equally responsible as our O and make comments suggesting he was putting my clear arguments/statistics to shame... I just have had a chip on my shoulder...

BUT... chip is gone... My apologies for venting here like so..

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

When GTripp goes on and on to try and prove this, then you respond, (out of nowhere) "Game, set, and match, GTripp" ... then, yeah, you are supporting his argument right??

... let me just say... and if that pisses you off, well you know how I felt when threw your two cents in, (trying to make it seem like I'm somehow inferior to the guy) when you weren't even in the debate... your comment put you in, supporting him

Our defense is good enough to take an above average offense DEEP into the playoffs, at a minimum. An AVERAGE offense (you know, one that can score over 20 per game) would be a playoff team with this defense.... period.

I just thought he had the stronger argument, it didn't mean I supported 100% of what he said.

I agree the O is more to blame overall, but it's naive to think the D hasn't had a role at times this year as well. Especially during the 4th quarter as of late, not including today of course.

[Hail to the Redskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I just thought he had the stronger argument, it didn't mean I supported 100% of what he said.

I agree the O is more to blame overall, but it's naive to think the D hasn't had a role at times this year as well. Especially during the 4th quarter as of late, not including today of course.

Fair enough, but once again, everyone focuses on our D in the 4th quarter because our offense can't score 20 points in a game (hell, make that 17), so no matter WHO we play, they are in it late and our D has been on the field all day and the pressure is ALL ON THEM.

I'm still trying to figure how this is somehow an inferior argument... but ok.

I'm also still trying to figure out my true feelings on the whole "4th quarter is more important than the other 3" thing.

and let me finish with this... one guy just posted what it seems a lot of you think... "We NEED an elite defense, though"

It's CRAZY to me for people to demand we be the '85 Bears, '70s Steelers or early '90s Ravens. We have a GOOD defense. Let's talk about how our offense, out of all of the teams with new offenses and new QBs is FAAARRRR behind the rest, and drop the blaming the D.

[skinsfan69]

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;514533]Fair enough, but once again, everyone focuses on our D in the 4th quarter because our offense can't score 20 points in a game (hell, make that 17), so no matter WHO we play, they are in it late and our D has been on the field all day and the pressure is ALL ON THEM.

I'm still trying to figure how this is somehow an inferior argument... but ok.

I'm also still trying to figure out my true feelings on the whole "4th quarter is more important than the other 3" thing.

and let me finish with this... one guy just posted what it seems a lot of you think... "We NEED an elite defense, though"

It's CRAZY to me for people to demand we be the '85 Bears, '70s Steelers or early '90s Ravens. We have a GOOD defense. Let's talk about how our offense, out of all of the teams with new offenses and new QBs is FAAARRRR behind the rest, and drop the blaming the D.[/quote]

Could you have imagined what people on here would've said if Philly scores on that last play and then we lose in OT? You know people would've been bitching about the defense. But from what I saw out there today was an offense that was simply unwatchable. Time and time again getting the ball around the 50 and not able to do a damn thing.