Updated: Discuss our Backup QB Situation (formerly Byron Leftwich)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Don't worry about the article. Wilson's source is Michael Lombardi, who had graded Andrew Walter out higher than Jason Campbell when he worked for the Raiders in 2005.

That's pretty much all you need to know about that one.

Not sure if you know this or not but Andrew Walter is the all time leading passer in Pac Ten history. That's a pretty strong resume considering some of the QB's that have played in the Pac Ten. He had a way better college career than JC did. Lombardi knows his stuff and coming out of college I could've easily saw why people had Walter graded higher than JC.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Not sure if you know this or not but Andrew Walter is the all time leading passer in Pac Ten history. That's a pretty strong resume considering some of the QB's that have played in the Pac Ten. He had a way better college career than JC did. Lombardi knows his stuff and coming out of college I could've easily saw why people had Walter graded higher than JC.

Off the top of my head, I did not know that, but I remember hearing it from multiple sources.

Most draft analysts did have them ranked together as second round prospects, but the league guys did seem to convincingly prefer Campbell to Walter. Lombardi's opinion seems to be in the vast minority here.

Also, using hindsight, totally incorrect. My problem is more how he's posturing this today, as opposed to objectively grading Campbell, he seems to be hoping that he fails so he doesn't have to explain his evaluation of the two guys in the future. Not dissimilar to the reason I dislike Blache. Being wrong is one thing. Lombardi should just admit it, move on, forget about it. Don't let it affect his evaluations in the future.

But I can see, statistically, how Walter and Campbell actually had similar draft profiles (and how Walter was significantly more productive at the same level), in context of conference. Good point.

[Hog1]

Thanx guys! I thought I was going to have to throw my Patrick Ramsey card to halt this............juggernaut.........of deceit, lies........and REALLY BAD judgement

[REDSKIN1]

When are we going to stick to one guy and build our team around him. I was very dissappointed with the second half of Jason's performance last year. However there were a lot of factors that played into our disappointing finish. Jason is not totally the blame. I think he can be the skins franchise quarterback for us if we surround him with the right talent and SUPPORT him. Oh yeah, maybe give him more than one year in a particular system. Lets not start over again. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD A FRANCHISE QUARTER BACK? OR HAVE WE EVER HAD ONE? This is just ridiculous...

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by REDSKIN1

When are we going to stick to one guy and build our team around him. I was very dissappointed with the second half of Jason's performance last year. However there were a lot of factors that played into our disappointing finish. Jason is not totally the blame. I think he can be the skins franchise quarterback for us if we surround him with the right talent and SUPPORT him. Oh yeah, maybe give him more than one year in a particular system. Lets not start over again. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD A FRANCHISE QUARTER BACK? OR HAVE WE EVER HAD ONE? This is just ridiculous...

Last QB to even come close to being our franchise QB was Gus. People here seem to dislike Gus, but he did a decent job with what was around him. JC is surrounded by more talent than Gus ever had.

[REDSKIN1]

How many QB's have we give up on in the first few years and they left to be successful on other teams? Frerotte-Green......Campbell?????

[skinsfan69]

If I remember correctly ( and maybe someone can confirm this) the only reason Walter fell in the draft was because he had a shoulder injury his senior year. Otherwise he would've been a high first round draft pick.

[53Fan]

Well maybe if Zorn did'nt have JC bend his knees he could see the field better! This stuff about Campbell is getting ridiculously funny.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well maybe if Zorn did'nt have JC bend his knees he could see the field better! This stuff about Campbell is getting ridiculously funny.

the JC bashing is crazy.

[53Fan]

It really is getting insane Sammy.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

It really is getting insane Sammy.

It's like the bashers are blinded to anything productive JC has done and they completely ignore the other issues we had this year. I know I'll get the "JC savior crowd is blinded to anything negative JC does", but it really is frustrating to make reasonable arguments and get the same baseless responses.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

It's like the bashers are blinded to anything productive JC has done and they completely ignore the other issues we had this year. I know I'll get the "JC savior crowd is blinded to anything negative JC does", but it really is frustrating to make reasonable arguments and get the same baseless responses.

I think it's even more fundamental than that. There are people in the world who can't see the difference between a good argument and a bad one. They just all look the same to them. There are people who will say "Campbell is good because I want him to be good" and others who say "Campbell is good because he continues to improve in QB rating" and these arguments look the same to people: things they disagree with.

I'm really inclined to say it's more of a product of the type of media they've been exposed to than anything, but I know some people personally who definately suffer from the inability to see a bad argument...even when it's most obvious to me.

I still love my mother though

[53Fan]

People are taking you seriously 44. Maybe going 8-8 was a team effort?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

People are taking you seriously 44. Maybe going 8-8 was a team effort?

Sorry guys I just couldn't resist. Dmek I was joking. I just can't help but make a mockery of some of the things said sometimes. I respect them but after 100,000 post of the same old it's, well you know.



The lithium is working 53 thanks. Continue everyone.

[44ever]

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