PFT rumor: TITANS TO PURSUE TAMPERING CHARGES AGAINST REDSKINS?

[Dr Do Itch Big]

Tennessee is acting like the guy whose just found out his friend was doing his girl.....Boo whoo good luck with that Titans!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Dr Do Itch Big

Tennessee is acting like the guy whose just found out his friend was doing his girl.....Boo whoo good luck with that Titans!

What are you talking about? Tennessee isnt doing anything. This is all 100% Florio.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

What are you talking about? Tennessee isnt doing anything. This is all 100% Florio.

He must be a Titan fan at heart and is disgruntled. So he's taking it out on DS instead of the Titans for failing to complete a contract. It's too easy to point the finger elswhere.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

He must be a Titan fan at heart and is disgruntled. So he's taking it out on DS instead of the Titans for failing to complete a contract. It's too easy to point the finger elswhere.

Looking at his other posts, i dont think he pays attention to the discussion to know whats being talked about. Looks like he just reads the title of thread and then makes a post with his thoughts. He probably just didnt know what was going on.

The thing that really irritates me with PFTs recent blog entries on this subject is that Florio is speculating, jumping to conclusions, and completely forgetting everything he knows about law:
1) Snyder having dinner with Speck doesnt prove anything because Speck is Kellys agent, too.
2) Rock is relaying information that he heard someone else say who wasnt party to theb actual discussions. Is 3rd or 4th person information at best and is complete hearsay.

Granted, the league isnt obligated to follow the same rules that a court of law would, but there is no "evidence" for the Titans to pursue tampering charges - just speculation and hearsay. Did the Redskins tamper? I think we all know they did. But im sure the Redskins werent the only teams talking with Speck about Haynesworth prior to free agency and im sure all 32 teams in the NFL were engaging in some sort of tampering.

Florios trying to stir up crap because if he has a juicy story, his site will get more hits and he'll make more money. its a complete non-issue and if you read the comments in Florios blog, he's got more haters than JLC. Theyre both hacks, but we keep visiting their sites because we love football and we cant get enough news and rumors. No one takes this issue seriously, though. Its being completely blown out of proportion and it will be completely forgotton about whenever a better story comes along.

[vallin21]

Redskins Busted For Tampering By Their Own Player? - Music City Miracles

The morning free agency started, Redskins RB Rock Cartwright went on ESPN 980 in D.C. to talk about the Albert Haynesworth signing. What he said should go a long way towards proving the Redskins tampered with Haynesworth while he was still under contract with the Titans:

Host: At what time did you learn Albert Haynesworth was going to be a teammate, Rock?

Rock Cartwright: This morning when I woke up I put it on NFL network and breaking news went across the screen saying he had signed for $100 million, but I kind of had an idea they were going to sign him anyways because one of my teammates said they have same agent* and he said that they had been talking.

* (ed. note: WR Malcolm Kelley is also represented by Albert's agent, Chad Speck)

That's textbook tampering. The Bears got a pick from the 49ers for tampering with Lance Briggs, and they seemed to have much less evidence. Plus they didn't even lose Briggs, whereas out attempts to re-sign Albert were blown to bits once that crazy offer hit the papers.

This is tampering at its worst, and Snyder should be hammered by the Commissioner for this. The 49ers were docked a 5th round pick and had to swap their 3rd rounder with the Bears, so anything less than multiple late picks from the Redskins would be an insult in this case, IMO.



If Rock Costs us our third round pick he needs to go.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by vallin21

and he said that they had been talking.

I am sure DS/VC had a nice long talk with Rock to clarify who the "he" [presumably Malcolm Kelly] and the "they"[i am sure the clarification would be Kelly and his agent had been talking, not DS and Kelly's agent] were in that sentence. Again, what has been put in public is just good for stirring up blogs/hits/readership, not any actual proof that would be needed.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by vallin21

That's textbook tampering. The Bears got a pick from the 49ers for tampering with Lance Briggs, and they seemed to have much less evidence.

The league office investigated the matter and went through the e-mails of the 49ers FO members that proved tampering. They never revealed the contents of the e-mails, but it was supposedly convincing. There were also phone calls that corresponded with times mentioned in those e-mails, if memory serves me.

While its possible Snyder and Vinnys emails contain damning evidence of some sort, we're not there yet. Snyders having dinner with Haynesworth's agent and 4th person hearsay is not enough evidence to make Goddell do anything.

Also, for arguments sake, nothing Cartwright said alleges tampering. the "they" he mentioned does not directly point to the Redskins FO and Speck. Cartwright could have easily been referring to:

Kelly and Haynesworth
Kelly and Speck about Haynesworth
Speck and Haynesworth

Cartwright never states that the FO had been talking to Speck about Haynesworth.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The league office investigated the matter and went through the e-mails of the 49ers FO members that proved tampering. They never revealed the contents of the e-mails, but it was supposedly convincing. There were also phone calls that corresponded with times mentioned in those e-mails, if memory serves me.

While its possible Snyder and Vinnys emails contain damning evidence of some sort, we're not there yet. Snyders having dinner with Haynesworth's agent and 4th person hearsay is not enough evidence to make Goddell do anything.

Also, for arguments sake, nothing Cartwright said alleges tampering. the "they" he mentioned does not directly point to the Redskins FO and Speck. Cartwright could have easily been referring to:

Kelly and Haynesworth
Kelly and Speck about Haynesworth
Speck and Haynesworth

Cartwright never states that the FO had been talking to Speck about Haynesworth.

But that's not nearly as exciting as calling all this speculation "textbook, without a shadow of a doubt, tampering"

Good post though

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But that's not nearly as exciting as calling all this speculation "textbook, without a shadow of a doubt, tampering"

Good post though

I think Florio and JLCs doom and gloom flair for the dramatic is contagious.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

idk man. to me i think we look like the asses. yeah i know its hard to prove and most everyone does it but . . . i do believe there is some kind of gentlemen's agreement among owners/GMs and you dont see other owners getting their names in articles talking about dinners with agents before FA began.

snyder is probaly the most unliked owner when he goes to the owner meetings and ive read that they are going to address the tampering issue when they meet. im sure all eyes wil be turning to DS.

DS knows no ethics, he is quite the ass as a business person from everything ive read about him. its a shame our franchise has to be hog-tied to his way of doing things. maybe im oldschool but i like doing things the right way even if others are doing it otherwise.

go skins!!

Please inform us how you know and why you say DS has no ethics or is just because he is rich that has to be the case.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

idk man. to me i think we look like the asses. yeah i know its hard to prove and most everyone does it but . . . i do believe there is some kind of gentlemen's agreement among owners/GMs and you dont see other owners getting their names in articles talking about dinners with agents before FA began.

snyder is probaly the most unliked owner when he goes to the owner meetings and ive read that they are going to address the tampering issue when they meet. im sure all eyes wil be turning to DS.

DS knows no ethics, he is quite the ass as a business person from everything ive read about him. its a shame our franchise has to be hog-tied to his way of doing things. maybe im oldschool but i like doing things the right way even if others are doing it otherwise.

go skins!!

The league did not pursue tampering charges against Parcells and the Dolphins, who signed Justin Smiley minutes into the free agency period last year. This story is just the opinion of the PFT.com people, and no other reputable news source has seriously reported on this.

Early signings by Dolphins, 49ers kick off frantic free-agency period - NFL - ESPN

Less than a hour after the 12:01 a.m. start to free agency, the Dolphins reached a five-year, $25 million deal with 49ers guard Justin Smiley that included a $9 million guarantee.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Please inform us how you know and why you say DS has no ethics or is just because he is rich that has to be the case.

Park Place - Cheap Seats - Washington City Paper

go skins!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Park Place - Cheap Seats - Washington City Paper

go skins!!

The Dan Snyder You Don't Know - Sports (washingtonian.com)

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Dan Snyder You Don't Know - Sports (washingtonian.com)

I ask Snyder if he’s a Republican.
“Yes,” he says. He says he voted for George Bush. “But I am very angry with Bush. I don’t like what he’s doing in foreign affairs, and I think he’s messing up the economy.”

Not rying to turn this thread political but I thought this was amusing.

[htownskinfan]

looks like new info
Report: Tennessee Titans ask NFL to investigate if Albert Haynesworth was contacted early by Washington Redskins - ESPN