Holt released by Rams

MTK · 03-17-2009, 09:44 AM

Holt's YPC has been slipping steadily since 2005. He didn't just hit the wall last year, the signs of his decline have been there for a few years now. He also has a knee problem that is scaring away some teams.

SBXVII · 03-17-2009, 10:17 AM

^ Good arguement. However looking at the numbers I would almost trade Moss out with Holt. Both are injury prone now so that's a wash. Both are close in age so that's a wash Holt had 8 1,000+ yrd seasons compared to Moss's 3. One of those was last yr at 1,044. Holt had 1189 last yr. A whole 144 more yrds. For someone on the decline he's better then our #1. Having said all this I did not say trade Moss out for Holt.

I suggested trading a player who hardly gets balls thrown his way. One that hardly see's the field as a WR. Thrash. ...and if I'm not mistaken we carried 7 WR's on the team last yr 2 on the practice squad. If I'm correct that would be Holt, Moss, ARE, Thomas, and Kelly, and two non drafted rookies to try and develope. All 5 WR's should get enough playing time.

JoeRedskin · 03-17-2009, 10:26 AM

I just don't think Holt is coming here to be part of a "WR by committee" where his part of the committee is as the No.2/3 and possibly 4th WR slot. If he is willing to come, great. I'd trade him out for Thrash in a heartbeat.

My guess is that there are several teams where he will be guarranteed a shot at the No. 1 spot or at least be the full time No. 2. Even with declining skills, and as others pointed out, he is an average to good WR with excellent work ethic and habits.

He will probably have a fairly good choice of places to land and get paid solid money (2 to 2.5 times vet min.) with a guarrantee to be a regular starter. I just don't see us paying him that much to be part of the WR committee.

SBXVII · 03-17-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I just don't think Holt is coming here to be part of a "WR by committee" where his part of the committee is as the No.2/3 and possibly 4th WR slot. If he is willing to come, great. I'd trade him out for Thrash in a heartbeat.

My guess is that there are several teams where he will be guarranteed a shot at the No. 1 spot or at least be the full time No. 2. Even with declining skills, and as others pointed out, he is an average to good WR with excellent work ethic and habits.

He will probably have a fairly good choice of places to land and get paid solid money (2 to 2.5 times vet min.) with a guarrantee to be a regular starter. I just don't see us paying him that much to be part of the WR committee.

Finally a good arguement. I can't dissagree. I know there are other teams who would make him their #1 and he would get #1 pay. I just don't buy the whole He's no longer good. but it would be nice if he did take the Skins into consideration and decided he would like to be here. Most likely not though. I'm done. Peace.

SmootSmack · 03-17-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Finally a good arguement. I can't dissagree. I know there are other teams who would make him their #1 and he would get #1 pay. I just don't buy the whole He's no longer good. but it would be nice if he did take the Skins into consideration and decided he would like to be here. Most likely not though. I'm done. Peace.

I think several people have been trying to make that same point...but I guess Mr. Laywer Man has a special way with words

skinsnut · 03-17-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Finally a good arguement. I can't dissagree. I know there are other teams who would make him their #1 and he would get #1 pay. I just don't buy the whole He's no longer good. but it would be nice if he did take the Skins into consideration and decided he would like to be here. Most likely not though. I'm done. Peace.

This is a good argument.
I personally think someone will pay him #2 money however particularly due to his age

John Denny · 03-17-2009, 08:37 PM

Henry Ellard was on the "downslide" when he signed with us and played great.

53Fan · 03-17-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think several people have been trying to make that same point...but I guess Mr. Laywer Man has a special way with words

What's a Laywer Man? Is that someone who pwactices Waw?

vallin21 · 03-17-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Finally a good arguement. I can't dissagree. I know there are other teams who would make him their #1 and he would get #1 pay. I just don't buy the whole He's no longer good. but it would be nice if he did take the Skins into consideration and decided he would like to be here. Most likely not though. I'm done. Peace.

I think myself and alot of others have said the same thing. Guess you were in denial.

djnemo65 · 03-17-2009, 08:49 PM

When you draft receivers and a TE with your first three picks, that's it, you are riding with those guys for the next few seasons. If they don't pan out you'll probably get fired (although it's kind of hard to get fired from the Redskins). If they are great you'll get a raise. But regardless, that's your receiving core, and the fact that some other player may theoretically be better than them is irrelevant. If we had drafted three Dlinemen with those picks you can assume we wouldn't have signed Haynesworth. This is how football works.

SmootSmack · 03-17-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

What's a Laywer Man? Is that someone who pwactices Waw?

Cowwect

Beemnseven · 03-18-2009, 07:47 AM

I could see New England taking a chance on him.

JoeRedskin · 03-18-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

What's a Laywer Man? Is that someone who pwactices Waw?

I keep pwacticing, but I never seem to get it wight.

JoeRedskin · 03-18-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think several people have been trying to make that same point...but I guess Mr. Laywer Man has a special way with words

You're just jealous 'cause good speak with words I can - from Yoda, learned I.

Monkeydad · 03-18-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by John Denny

Henry Ellard was on the "downslide" when he signed with us and played great.

We needed him to. We have 5 WRs right now, 2 which we need to develop for the long-term. Kelly and Thomas do not need ANOTHER veteran in front of them.

03-17-2009, 09:44 AM	#76
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,573	Re: Holt released by Rams Holt's YPC has been slipping steadily since 2005. He didn't just hit the wall last year, the signs of his decline have been there for a few years now. He also has a knee problem that is scaring away some teams. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-17-2009, 10:17 AM	#77
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Holt released by Rams ^ Good arguement. However looking at the numbers I would almost trade Moss out with Holt. Both are injury prone now so that's a wash. Both are close in age so that's a wash Holt had 8 1,000+ yrd seasons compared to Moss's 3. One of those was last yr at 1,044. Holt had 1189 last yr. A whole 144 more yrds. For someone on the decline he's better then our #1. Having said all this I did not say trade Moss out for Holt. I suggested trading a player who hardly gets balls thrown his way. One that hardly see's the field as a WR. Thrash. ...and if I'm not mistaken we carried 7 WR's on the team last yr 2 on the practice squad. If I'm correct that would be Holt, Moss, ARE, Thomas, and Kelly, and two non drafted rookies to try and develope. All 5 WR's should get enough playing time.

03-17-2009, 10:26 AM	#78
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Holt released by Rams I just don't think Holt is coming here to be part of a "WR by committee" where his part of the committee is as the No.2/3 and possibly 4th WR slot. If he is willing to come, great. I'd trade him out for Thrash in a heartbeat. My guess is that there are several teams where he will be guarranteed a shot at the No. 1 spot or at least be the full time No. 2. Even with declining skills, and as others pointed out, he is an average to good WR with excellent work ethic and habits. He will probably have a fairly good choice of places to land and get paid solid money (2 to 2.5 times vet min.) with a guarrantee to be a regular starter. I just don't see us paying him that much to be part of the WR committee. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

03-17-2009, 08:37 PM	#82
John Denny Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ocean Pines, MD Posts: 137	Re: Holt released by Rams Henry Ellard was on the "downslide" when he signed with us and played great.

03-17-2009, 08:49 PM	#85
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Holt released by Rams When you draft receivers and a TE with your first three picks, that's it, you are riding with those guys for the next few seasons. If they don't pan out you'll probably get fired (although it's kind of hard to get fired from the Redskins). If they are great you'll get a raise. But regardless, that's your receiving core, and the fact that some other player may theoretically be better than them is irrelevant. If we had drafted three Dlinemen with those picks you can assume we wouldn't have signed Haynesworth. This is how football works.

03-18-2009, 07:47 AM	#87
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Re: Holt released by Rams I could see New England taking a chance on him.

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