Redskins Pre-Draft Visits and Private Workouts: 2009 Version

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think u mean Rey-hole Haven't heard anything like that apart from him having a real tough time when his dad died. I think the dc @ USC sort of took Rey under his wing and now the kid is just looking to be a dominant force in the league...but I wonder if it takes a bit of an a-hole to play so damn tough and nasty.

Doesn't hurt!

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think u mean Rey-hole Haven't heard anything like that apart from him having a real tough time when his dad died. I think the dc @ USC sort of took Rey under his wing and now the kid is just looking to be a dominant force in the league...but I wonder if it takes a bit of an a-hole to play so damn tough and nasty.

Reference: Rodney Harrison, Ronnie Lott, Dick Butkus, Mean Joe Green, Lawrence Taylor, Mike Singletary (still an a-hole), Ray Nitchke, and last but not least...the great Sean Taylor. Takes a little bit of an a-hole to level a punter during an all-star game. I loved that guy! That's the kind of swagger our defense needs!

[AnimateYYZ]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Reference: Rodney Harrison, Ronnie Lott, Dick Butkus, Mean Joe Green, Lawrence Taylor, Mike Singletary (still an a-hole), Ray Nitchke, and last but not least...the great Sean Taylor. Takes a little bit of an a-hole to level a punter during an all-star game. I loved that guy! That's the kind of swagger our defense needs!

Joe Theisman should be at the top of that list.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think u mean Rey-hole Haven't heard anything like that apart from him having a real tough time when his dad died. I think the dc @ USC sort of took Rey under his wing and now the kid is just looking to be a dominant force in the league...but I wonder if it takes a bit of an a-hole to play so damn tough and nasty.

It might but guys like Troy Polamalu make me think otherwise. Anyway heres the lowdown on Rey's personal problem. Scouts Inc gave him a 4 out of 5 (5 being the worst) on his character rating.

"He was arrested in November of 2005 for suspicion of misdemeanor battery following a fight he was involved in during a Halloween party. He turned himself into authorities and agreed to attend anger management and Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, as well as perform community service. Father died of brain cancer two days prior to 2006 Rose Bowl. Maualuga was also disciplined for his involvement in an incident at a fraternity party in October of 2006. Was demoted to special teams versus Oregon State that season after he overslept a meeting."

Plus theres this video of him doing the "sneaky dance" on Erin Andrews. Which to be honest I couldn't help but laugh, but at the same time it's not something that you want from a guy that would eventually be a leader on the team.



With that said Ayers also has a record and a character rating of 4/5 (again 5 being the bad):

"Charged with aggravated assault in 2005 and Tennessee suspends him from team. School suspends him from summer school and puts him on indefinite suspension. Charges reportedly stem from fights between football players and fraternity members. The charge is later reduced to misdemeanor assault and Ayers pleads guilty. Reportedly, he was not the most coachable player early in his career but has since matured."

Now that I think about it both of these guys worry me equally now. I mean for god sakes they were getting into fights at frat parties. Imagine what happens when they go to a club, at that point it's no longer frat boys, now it's gang members and other sorts of organized crime. Of course at the same time nothing wrong with some jocks sticking it to some douche bags with popped collars (not that all frat's are bad).

[Dirtbag59]

Also with our pick at 13, if it is between an OT and a DE like Ayers then it's kind of like what do you want to do. Do you take Ayers in hopes that you can mimmic the Giants dominant Defensive front (Ayers has drawn comparisons to Justin Tuck) and at the same time use 3rd round picks to find guys that can help you out on the O-Line (like the Giants) or do you think "hey we had the fourth ranked defense last year and we just added Haynesworth." It's time to get the O-line fixed and possibly add a project at DE like Kyle Moore or god forbid Lawrence Sidbury (though he's probably going to be a mid 2nd round pick even if he's not graded as such).

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by AnimateYYZ

Joe Theisman should be at the top of that list.

You're right. You can even say Riggo though he was less of an a-hole and more of a dude that just didn't give a f*ck!

Forgot to mention Joey Porter too.

[Dirtbag59]

Found this on Maualuga also. Apparently he might be at risk for becoming an alcoholic if he isn't one already.

Football is clearly very important to him, and he has endearingly been described as a “war daddy” by evaluators, but questions remain about his maturity, accountability, trustworthiness, intelligence and ability to responsibly handle alcohol. His coaches publicly have contended that he has matured greatly, but some of his actions have continued to suggest otherwise. One executive said he had positioned Maualuga just far enough down in the first round so that he would not be considered with the team’s first pick, hoping he would be gone by the time the second pick came around. Another evaluator said he did not envision Maualuga’s position on his team’s draft board being altered based on his character but, when pressed as to whether he would draft Maualuga in the top 10, said the pick would be “too scary.”

Crazy the way information is these days. Hell in the 70's and 80's it probably would have taken a drunk driving accident with a few fatalities to find out weather a player was abusing alcohol. Now all we have to do is read scouting reports made for fans like us online.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Found this on Maualuga also. Apparently he might be at risk for becoming an alcoholic if he isn't one already.

Football is clearly very important to him, and he has endearingly been described as a “war daddy” by evaluators, but questions remain about his maturity, accountability, trustworthiness, intelligence and ability to responsibly handle alcohol. His coaches publicly have contended that he has matured greatly, but some of his actions have continued to suggest otherwise. One executive said he had positioned Maualuga just far enough down in the first round so that he would not be considered with the team’s first pick, hoping he would be gone by the time the second pick came around. Another evaluator said he did not envision Maualuga’s position on his team’s draft board being altered based on his character but, when pressed as to whether he would draft Maualuga in the top 10, said the pick would be “too scary.”

Crazy the way information is these days. Hell in the 70's and 80's it probably would have taken a drunk driving accident with a few fatalities to find out weather a player was abusing alcohol. Now all we have to do is read scouting reports made for fans like us online.

Some would argue that Riggo, and a few of the Hogs, abused alcohol. Remember the 5 O'Clock club? Or Sonny Jurgenson sneaking away from training camp to go on a bender. Not that I'm saying alcohol abuse isn't a concern, just adding in some perspective. If this guy really had an issue we would have heard about it all over NFL network among other sources, not just some random internet report. Many of us today could have been considered potential alcohol abusers during our college years. I think this is an overblown report because I have been researching Maualuga for 3 months now and haven't seen legitimate concern from credible sources.

BTW- I remember when they said Randy Moss had a weed problem, he fell in the draft. Okay not the greatest example of character, but Brady loves him.

Hmmm.....think I'll have a drink!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Some would argue that Riggo, and a few of the Hogs, abused alcohol. Remember the 5 O'Clock club? Or Sonny Jurgenson sneaking away from training camp to go on a bender. Not that I'm saying alcohol abuse isn't a concern, just adding in some perspective. If this guy really had an issue we would have heard about it all over NFL network among other sources, not just some random internet report. Many of us today could have been considered potential alcohol abusers during our college years. I think this is an overblown report because I have been researching Maualuga for 3 months now and haven't seen legitimate concern from credible sources.

BTW- I remember when they said Randy Moss had a weed problem, he fell in the draft. Okay not the greatest example of character, but Brady loves him.

Hmmm.....think I'll have a drink!

Lol, you're kind of right. If I had gotten caught my scouting report would have said smoked cigerettes, used weed, and tried cocaine on more then one occasion. And of course the report would also say I couldn't handle my alcohol. Ironically I don't use any of these substances today, except maybe occasionally a glass of wine but other then that I'm completely sober and have no problems with addiction (quit ciggerettes cold turkey after a little less then a year of smoking). I also got into a few fights and was exposed to every form of discipline in High school at least once with the exception being expulsion. Even though I pretty much detest fighting these days, well at least street fighting. I do enjoy learning judo and Tae Kwon Doe in a controlled enviornment where sparring partners respect each others well being.

Man, thats crazy though. I'm nothing like that today. In fact a lot of my friends would tell you that I'm one of the most square, homebody types they know. Of course I never really got caught with all the things I listed except in High School, however I had a relatively low profile in college compared to that of a colleigate athlete.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Found this on Maualuga also. Apparently he might be at risk for becoming an alcoholic if he isn't one already.

Football is clearly very important to him, and he has endearingly been described as a “war daddy” by evaluators, but questions remain about his maturity, accountability, trustworthiness, intelligence and ability to responsibly handle alcohol. His coaches publicly have contended that he has matured greatly, but some of his actions have continued to suggest otherwise. One executive said he had positioned Maualuga just far enough down in the first round so that he would not be considered with the team’s first pick, hoping he would be gone by the time the second pick came around. Another evaluator said he did not envision Maualuga’s position on his team’s draft board being altered based on his character but, when pressed as to whether he would draft Maualuga in the top 10, said the pick would be “too scary.”

Crazy the way information is these days. Hell in the 70's and 80's it probably would have taken a drunk driving accident with a few fatalities to find out weather a player was abusing alcohol. Now all we have to do is read scouting reports made for fans like us online.

Admittedly I could be reading too much into the scouting comments, but i have to wonder how many teams are "downgrading" their public statements about Rey just as posturing...so other teams don't feel it necessary to trade ahead and grab him. I'm trying to stay objective...and it seems like the best MLB prospect in the draft, who is also considered by most everyone as the hardest hitter in the draft, would be valued pretty highly by a lot of franchises out there.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Some would argue that Riggo, and a few of the Hogs, abused alcohol. Remember the 5 O'Clock club? Or Sonny Jurgenson sneaking away from training camp to go on a bender. Not that I'm saying alcohol abuse isn't a concern, just adding in some perspective. If this guy really had an issue we would have heard about it all over NFL network among other sources, not just some random internet report. Many of us today could have been considered potential alcohol abusers during our college years. I think this is an overblown report because I have been researching Maualuga for 3 months now and haven't seen legitimate concern from credible sources.

BTW- I remember when they said Randy Moss had a weed problem, he fell in the draft. Okay not the greatest example of character, but Brady loves him.

Hmmm.....think I'll have a drink!

I think this puts it in perspective. Good post Son Of Man. It's something that Danny could talk to him about when he comes for a visit. Supposedly Vinny has set up a meeting with him and Snyder sometime this month. Maybe they'll talk it over between cocktails. Seriously it should probably be checked out but it probably won't go as far as calling a Supreme Court judge "Sandy Baby".

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Also with our pick at 13, if it is between an OT and a DE like Ayers then it's kind of like what do you want to do. Do you take Ayers in hopes that you can mimmic the Giants dominant Defensive front (Ayers has drawn comparisons to Justin Tuck) and at the same time use 3rd round picks to find guys that can help you out on the O-Line (like the Giants) or do you think "hey we had the fourth ranked defense last year and we just added Haynesworth." It's time to get the O-line fixed and possibly add a project at DE like Kyle Moore or god forbid Lawrence Sidbury (though he's probably going to be a mid 2nd round pick even if he's not graded as such).

I Love the idea of having a Justin Tuck like player on the D line next to AH and I mean I really like that idea, but we really need to adress that oline badly since as you noted the defense was ranked 4th, it's tuff to say which way we'll go @ 13 with the needs we have and options available at that spot.

[SmootSmack]

Rey M. definitely had some off-field concerns (per my USC source), but it seemed like it was more a grieving phase he was going through and he's pretty much past them now.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Lol, you're kind of right. If I had gotten caught my scouting report would have said smoked cigerettes, used weed, and tried cocaine on more then one occasion. And of course the report would also say I couldn't handle my alcohol. Ironically I don't use any of these substances today, except maybe occasionally a glass of wine but other then that I'm completely sober and have no problems with addiction (quit ciggerettes cold turkey after a little less then a year of smoking). I also got into a few fights and was exposed to every form of discipline in High school at least once with the exception being expulsion. Even though I pretty much detest fighting these days, well at least street fighting. I do enjoy learning judo and Tae Kwon Doe in a controlled enviornment where sparring partners respect each others well being.

Man, thats crazy though. I'm nothing like that today. In fact a lot of my friends would tell you that I'm one of the most square, homebody types they know. Of course I never really got caught with all the things I listed except in High School, however I had a relatively low profile in college compared to that of a colleigate athlete.

Good for you dude! I can respect that!!!

[Son Of Man]

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