Greg Blache Defensive Scheme!!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

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Would you, in the future, not quote me with saying what CRedskinsRule says. ...

Turnabout from the other day, right GTripp

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Turnabout from the other day, right GTripp

Irony, I believe. Though some may call it coincidence.

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We played New Orleans and Detroit, they played Atlanta and Chicago. Please cut the shit. Their schedule was harder. Not that it matters over 16 games when 14 are basically the same, and they still beat us in every single defensive metric, most by a long shot. It's pretty much undeniable that their defense was better, at least among objectivity. If you aren't concerned about being objective, then it's just an entirely different viewpoint: fan.

Would you, in the future, not quote me with saying what CRedskinsRule says. I mean, he's right, but we're also two different people. Thanks.

But I do thank you for claiming argument consistency from TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. That's one of the more entertaining things that has ever happened from around these parts. Now I pretty much can't take you seriously anymore. I think you'll understand.

The rest of your post just seems to be a never-ending series of strawmans that varies between arguments that he made, neither of us made, and no one has ever made.

P.S. The fact that drive total has become a non-quantifiable statistic in this debate means it's pretty much over.

Get over yourself please, stop with all the hand waving saying they're undeniably better because you say so based on the criteria you choose. And if you did watch the games, can you at least agree with me that on those 2 days the Redskins defense was better? Throughout the year I never felt our defense was getting handled except maybe the first game versus the Giants. The Eagles gave up 41 to Dallas, 36 to the Giants, and 36 to Baltimore. That's not what I call consistent and that may not be a stat that you choose, but it does matter if you want to call yourself a good defense.

If there were a stat that was for the offensive strength that you face I guarantee it would be higher for the Redskins than the Eagles. I know it's the case for points and yards by a large margin. I wasn't claiming their schedule was harder, I was saying we faced better offenses. New Orleans had the best offense in the NFL and we had to face the Eagles offense twice (which was one of the best offenses in the NFL, again 6th in points) while they had to face our offense twice (which is much worse statistically, since you seem to care about the statistical analysis so much). And yeah Atlanta and Chicago were offensive powerhouses last year, I think I missed that.

P.S. You defined the meaning of drive total and how it is relevant statistically, but you don't know. Having a lower number of drives could mean that the defense is better, that they force offenses to work during every possession, bend but not break (i.e. Blache's scheme), as opposed to one that is more attacking and takes more chances (i.e. Jim Johnson's scheme).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by an23dy

Get over yourself please, stop with all the hand waving saying they're undeniably better because you say so based on the criteria you choose. And if you did watch the games, can you at least agree with me that on those 2 days the Redskins defense was better? Throughout the year I never felt our defense was getting handled except maybe the first game versus the Giants. The Eagles gave up 41 to Dallas, 36 to the Giants, and 36 to Baltimore. That's not what I call consistent and that may not be a stat that you choose, but it does matter if you want to call yourself a good defense.

If there were a stat that was for the offensive strength that you face I guarantee it would be higher for the Redskins than the Eagles. I know it's the case for points and yards by a large margin. I wasn't claiming their schedule was harder, I was saying we faced better offenses. New Orleans had the best offense in the NFL and we had to face the Eagles offense twice (which was one of the best offenses in the NFL, again 6th in points) while they had to face our offense twice (which is much worse statistically, since you seem to care about the statistical analysis so much). And yeah Atlanta and Chicago were offensive powerhouses last year, I think I missed that.

P.S. You defined the meaning of drive total and how it is relevant statistically, but you don't know. Having a lower number of drives could mean that the defense is better, that they force offenses to work during every possession, bend but not break (i.e. Blache's scheme), as opposed to one that is more attacking and takes more chances (i.e. Jim Johnson's scheme).

Number one, there are definately stats kept on who faces the hardest competition. Again, these all suggest that it was pretty much a negligible difference, since you know 12 of our opponents were exactly the same as Philly. Here, is football outsiders rankings, and to get the opponent adjustment, you can just subtract the Non-adjusted from the adjusted total. Simple enough. Philly faced better offenses, by their rankings, but again, it's a really, really small difference, enough to not matter, which is what I've told you from the start. Other rankings I've seen say the same.

Number two, you cherry pick your numbers like only one other person I've ever talked to on this fourm, which given your propensity to deem other's numbers to be arbitrary, delights me very much. You point out that Philadelphia had three games with a high point total. Except that, we already know there's no way to skew it to say the Skins don't allow points at a faster rate. So I don't know what you are trying to say. Philly has a higher variance? That's true, I suppose.

Number three, I definately do know everything in bold is an irrelivant point. Last year, we gave up points at a faster rate than the Eagles, and we gave up more total points, and we faced fewer drives. To an extent, we did have a small bend-but-don't-break effect in our defense. It's true. We also broke undeniably faster than Philadelphia, Tennessee, or Minnesota. Like, gave up more points. That's what you mean by bend but don't break, is it not?

Number four, you apparently are okay quoting other people under my username. That's not cool, dude. I'm not just going to ignore that you did that.

[The Goat]

LOL... now kids pay attention, this is what a pissing match looks like.

[DBUCHANON101]

OK, Lets say Blache retires at the season's end. Who do you guys like as a replacement? an internal guy or someone from another team?

[GridIron26]

Jerry Gray

[DBUCHANON101]

i hear good things about Jerry Gray. ppl say he is very aggressive. I also hear that tha FO and Gibbs liked the LB coach i dont know his name right off hand.

[DBUCHANON101]

I only saw 1 game where we really got after the QB and that was the Pittsburgh game. we had sacks and pressure and then it seemed that we just stopped after that game.. watchin the Eagles game when McNabb was leadin them down the field and we were rushing 3 was driving me crazy. if the WR knew he was out of the endzone on the last play they would have won..lucky for us we got him short.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

i hear good things about Jerry Gray. ppl say he is very aggressive. I also hear that tha FO and Gibbs liked the LB coach i dont know his name right off hand.

Being I don't think your thinking of Dale Lindsey (Lavars buddy) as he was fired, and is very old used up news.

Are you thinking Kirk Olivadotti?

I don't see either himself or Jerry filling the role. There will be new blood when Blache goes away! Hand picked by Jim if he's still around or the new head coach, whoever that might be. I think the same will apply with the Buges, new blood.

[DBUCHANON101]

Are you thinking Kirk Olivadotti?

Thats him.. if we dont keep him or Gray id like to see us bring in someone who loves to attack the offense. this bend but dont break D is hard to watch. When i know we could be much better if we were more aggressive.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

OK, Lets say Blache retires at the season's end. Who do you guys like as a replacement? an internal guy or someone from another team?

Jerry Gray is who I like. Whether we would promote him or not is another question. As skinsfan nn pointed out, we may bring in new blood.

[DBUCHANON101]

I think Gray would do well. he was good in Tenn. Like i said i just want us to get after QB's. i think with the guys we now have in our front 7 we can get it done.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I think Gray would do well. he was good in Tenn. Like i said i just want us to get after QB's. i think with the guys we now have in our front 7 we can get it done.

If we don't, I think Blache is going to catch some serious heat.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I think Gray would do well. he was good in Tenn. Like i said i just want us to get after QB's. i think with the guys we now have in our front 7 we can get it done.

Huh..? Gray was never in Tenn!

He was DC with the Bills from 2001-2005, then got picked up by the Skins.