Jason Taylor to re-sign with the Dolphins

[johno]

go home, we dont need you anyways. orakpo, nuff said.

[T.O.Killa]

He is a no good Bastard!!!!!!!

[Sonny9TD]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, it's official. Parcells bent us over.

ProFootballTalk.com - Jason Taylor To Re-Sign With Fins

You sure got that right.

[dmek25]

if Taylor had 10+ sacks last year, would any of you guys sing the praises of a job well done by Cerrato? i kind of doubt it. we needed a defensive end, and they brought in the best player available( at least in their eyes)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dmek25

if Taylor had 10+ sacks last year, would any of you guys sing the praises of a job well done by Cerrato? i kind of doubt it. we needed a defensive end, and they brought in the best player available( at least in their eyes)

Well, remember, the cost was a pretty hefty second round pick. So 10+ sacks alone would not have justified the trade, it would have also been graded on how well he played the run, and whether or not he would have been a factor in 2010.

Orakpo has 10+ sack potential, but if he posts sack totals of: 2, 10, 3, 4, 4 in his first five seasons, most of us will be thinking bust. I'm not predicting that, I'm just saying.

What I'm saying is: it's really hard for Cerrato to win a trade where he sells, out of desperation, a first day pick for a 34 year old smallish end who was a bad scheme fit. If he plays great for two seasons, and everyone agrees that he was great, you can sweep the cost under the rug. If he disappoints expectations at all, the cost hurts.

Originally Posted by dmek25

if Taylor had 10+ sacks last year, would any of you guys sing the praises of a job well done by Cerrato? i kind of doubt it. we needed a defensive end, and they brought in the best player available( at least in their eyes)

I liked the move and if Taylor wasnt hurt he would of had a pretty good year imo. The game he had week 16 vs the Eagles was the main reason why we won that game imo.

I give Cerrato credit for making a move like that when we needed help at the position badly. I also give him credit for drafting Orakpo and not screwing that pick up. Cerrato's track record is against him but he has done some nice things in DC over the last 2 years.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I liked the move and if Taylor wasnt hurt he would of had a pretty good year imo. The game he had week 16 vs the Eagles was the main reason why we won that game imo.

I give Cerrato credit for making a move like that when we needed help at the position badly. I also give him credit for drafting Orakpo and not screwing that pick up. Cerrato's track record is against him but he has done some nice things in DC over the last 2 years.

Yeah, a lot of Redskins fans get convenient memories after the fact. There was a high level of anticipation and excitement once we made the deal last summer. Nothing in Taylor's history would have predicted 2 leg injuries in the first 6 weeks of him being a Redskin.

[FRPLG]

I am tired of the FA bashing...

Look around the league. Percentage-wise we are as good as anybody at hitting on these guys. Gross gain we are the best in the league by a wide margin because of our overall volume. Complain about our trading of draft picks. At least that holds water.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am tired of the FA bashing...

Look around the league. Percentage-wise we are as good as anybody at hitting on these guys. Gross gain we are the best in the league by a wide margin because of our overall volume. Complain about our trading of draft picks. At least that holds water.

I've been bitching about that for a long time.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am tired of the FA bashing...

Look around the league. Percentage-wise we are as good as anybody at hitting on these guys. Gross gain we are the best in the league by a wide margin because of our overall volume. Complain about our trading of draft picks. At least that holds water.

I assume you meant FO bashing, not FA bashing?

You're absolutely right about the trading of draft picks, and that's what bothers a lot of fans who are critical of the FO. Yes, the Skins make some great free agent moves and when they actually use their draft picks, they do quite well. We are constantly drawing impact players out of the draft, which is what makes the flippant trading of draft picks so painful. I'm not suggesting I'm absolutely against trading draft picks; they're a commodity like anything else, and if handled properly any commodity can be effectively traded. The problem is that twice in 3 seasons the Skins, in a virtual panic, traded away draft picks for players who did absolutely nothing (TJ Duckett and Jason Taylor). That's not a mistake that should be made twice, especially not in 3 years. Draft picks, even 3rd and 4th rounders, are exceptionally valuable in a league in which, because of injuries, depth is a necessity, and because of the Cap, the draft is the resource for depth.

This discussion is about Jason Taylor and the Jason Talor trade was a collossally stupid one. Regardless, anyone who criticizes the Redskins for making the move will face an instantaneous avalanche of blowhards censuring the individual as nothing more than a reactionary who always condemns the front office, and that's what I'm sick of. Just because one criticizes this trade, as well as the FO's proclivity for making such trades, does not mean one lacks objectivity. If there is a thread about a player whose tenure in Washington was less than successful, than of course there will be criticism and the such criticism is proper and acceptable. On the other hand, if a thread is about the a player's positive affect on the team, then accolades will be awarded to the FO. That's how it is and that's how it should be.

What I fail to understand is why poeple on this thread are referring to effective moves the FO has made in the past, when that has nothing to do with the Jason Taylor debacle. They're simply anticipating an argument that is not being made.

[MTK]

Well we also have to consider if they wanted Sanchez bad enough they could have coughed up multiple picks next year, nothing was stopping them from doing that. (Except for a little common sense, maybe they have some after all?)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Several weeks ago I remember reading part of an article where the writer said there was some clause in NFL rules that said if a team traded a player, then the player was back on the same by the time the next season started, the players original team had to give the draft pick back.

This was an article on extremeskins.com/breaking news. I'm assuming that since no one else is talking about this, then it means that article must have come out on april fools, so it was just a joke. Anyone ever hear of anything like that?

Also, techinically, we "released" Mark Brunell, but the way we did it, we were still able to get a 7th round Compensatory pick for him, as if he were a FA - is there any way the same could apply to how we handled Taylors contract?

I realize both those thoughts represent nothing more than grasping at straws, but it would be nice if we got some sort of compensation for that loser.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Several weeks ago I remember reading part of an article where the writer said there was some clause in NFL rules that said if a team traded a player, then the player was back on the same by the time the next season started, the players original team had to give the draft pick back.

This was an article on extremeskins.com/breaking news. I'm assuming that since no one else is talking about this, then it means that article must have come out on april fools, so it was just a joke. Anyone ever hear of anything like that?

LOL. You're thinking of this

http://phinphanatic.com/2009/04/01/s...nd-round-pick/

I guess ES linked to it, you gotta stop taking ES so seriously.

Also, techinically, we "released" Mark Brunell, but the way we did it, we were still able to get a 7th round Compensatory pick for him, as if he were a FA - is there any way the same could apply to how we handled Taylors contract?

I realize both those thoughts represent nothing more than grasping at straws, but it would be nice if we got some sort of compensation for that loser.

I don't believe we released Brunell

[SBXVII]

To be honest, someone joking said something about JT coming to us then leaving after 1 yr. Unfortunatly that was a chance we had to take. No one knew we would have a DE go down in training camp and need a replacement, but....people have been clamoring about needing back up lineman.

I sucks that we only had him one yr and got very little production, lost 2 picks (wasn't it a 2nd and a 6th), and came up empty in the end. One would only hope the league would look at it and say "somethings not right, lets give the Skins a pick to compensate." but that won't happen.

We got schooled....yet again by the Tuna. now I can only hope whatever picks he got out of it suck and he has to let them go. lol.

[Pocket$ $traight]

I am not sure that I understand the animosity towards Taylor. Being upset with the front office makes sense because it turned out that they grossly overpaid for the guy. In their defense, they never expected to only have him for one injury plagued year.

For the people who are mad at Taylor. What did he ever do to us besides play through two potential season ending injuries? Are you the same people who criticized his lack of production even though he was hurt and not a true 4-3 end? Moving him to Strongside backer wouldn't have worked either. It was obvious that he was not going to live up to his contract here.

For the people who wonder why he would go back and play for a lower salary you have underestimated his pride. We aren't talking about Dana Stubblefield. This guy is a warrior and doesn't want the last memory of him being hurt and misused.

It was best for all parties that he moved on. I wish him luck. Personally, I think he took a lot of unfair criticism.