What has Obama done well?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by saden1

We do when our interests align (Redskins)?

Well said...............HTTR

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Chiding Obama for bowing to somebody -- anybody? Who cares? You guys are really grasping for straws...

TTE: calling out Saden about ego, when you're the one with so much pride that you'd never bow to another person? Pot meet kettle -- pride = ego.

Stick to the issues people.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Chiding Obama for bowing to somebody -- anybody? Who cares? You guys are really grasping for straws...

TTE: calling out Saden about ego, when you're the one with so much pride that you'd never bow to another person? Pot meet kettle -- pride = ego.

Stick to the issues people.

As far as UCMJ or punishment for a bow, I've never heard that. However the State Department Office of Protocol and Miss Manners know that the President and any U.S. citizen NEVER bow before a monarch or king.

You can say what you want, but in the Middle East the gesture is seen as making the U.S. sub-servient.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

As far as UCMJ or punishment for a bow, I've never heard that. However the State Department Office of Protocol and Miss Manners know that the President and any U.S. citizen NEVER bow before a monarch or king.

You can say what you want, but in the Middle East the gesture is seen as making the U.S. sub-servient.

thats right. obama knew what he was doing. he had been going all around, appoligizing(sp) for america. obama hates america, this is why he does such things. remember folks, obama is not an american. he was not born in this country.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

thats right. obama knew what he was doing. he had been going all around, appoligizing(sp) for america. obama hates america, this is why he does such things.

While I tend to agree with you here, although not nearly as matter of fact or blatent as you put it, what you have next is incorrect:

remember folks, obama is not an american. he was not born in this country.

Read this:
snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

Hey, I can understand not wanting him to be american, therefore not eligible for president, but he was born in Hawaii...read that entire article, it will explain it. I thought we went over this like a year ago?
That sounds like Gore..."He didn't win the electoral votes!" Well, like it or not, Bush still won fair and square, as did obama.

[RiggoRanger]

I used to use Snopes to confirm everything, but they dropped the ball on this one big time. They posted fake documentation, and then pulled it down. They did the same with a couple of disreputable quotes, and misrepresented the counter argument. Seeing how Snopes has been dealing with the birth certificate issue and jumping the gun on unsubstantiated claims has led me to believe that they have political bias, and I don't use them any more.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Read this:
snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

Hey, I can understand not wanting him to be american, therefore not eligible for president, but he was born in Hawaii...read that entire article, it will explain it. I thought we went over this like a year ago?
.

until i see his birth certificate i won't believe it.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

As far as UCMJ or punishment for a bow, I've never heard that. However the State Department Office of Protocol and Miss Manners know that the President and any U.S. citizen NEVER bow before a monarch or king.

You can say what you want, but in the Middle East the gesture is seen as making the U.S. sub-servient.

Is there some sort of a manual available from the office of protocol for us ignorant citizens that tells us not to bow and whatnot? Or is this an unwritten protocol?

Subservient? Due to a bow by the president? If they want to think us subservient all they need to do is look at their oil fields knowing that we will do anything to get at it and protect it. You know, just maybe they're not all homogeneous in thought and some will think "mashallah, what a respectful man?"

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

As far as UCMJ or punishment for a bow, I've never heard that. However the State Department Office of Protocol and Miss Manners know that the President and any U.S. citizen NEVER bow before a monarch or king.

You can say what you want, but in the Middle East the gesture is seen as making the U.S. sub-servient.

My warrant officer would've had my ass if I had bowed in the way the Japanese did.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

My warrant officer would've had my ass if I had bowed in the way the Japanese did.

Agreed. It may not be in the UCMJ, but my superiors would've made it very clear that bowing that way is unacceptable.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Agreed. It may not be in the UCMJ, but my superiors would've made it very clear that bowing that way is unacceptable.

You're telling me that if you were stationed in Japan and a local person bowed you wouldn't reciprocate? Not bowing is not only acceptable but preferred by superiors? How vile, especially coming from people who value and fight for their traditions and way of life. I suppose one can not expect certain men to be wise, fortunately U.S. commanders and generals have traditionally showed respect to Japanese customs even under disgraceful circumstance.

Rear Admiral James Kelly, the top U.S. naval commander in Japan, bowed and apologized to the mayor of Yokosuka City, where the U.S. navy is headquartered. U.S. ambassador Thomas Schieffer expressed condolences and regret.

[tryfuhl]

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[BringBackJoeT]

On this note, what would the expectation be for a Catholic president meeting with the Pope? From a starting point, such a meeting would be a meeting of two heads of state (U.S. and Vatican). But, I suppose theoretically, there would be a level of meaning for that particular U.S. president that would transcend politics, and isn't it common for Catholics meeting the Pope to make a sort of gesture? (Kneeling maybe? I honestly don't know.) If it is common for a Catholic to do such a thing, and a president happened to be Catholic and did it, but claimed that it was in his/her "status" as a Catholic, how would people come down on that?

[RiggoRanger]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

On this note, what would the expectation be for a Catholic president meeting with the Pope? From a starting point, such a meeting would be a meeting of two heads of state (U.S. and Vatican). But, I suppose theoretically, there would be a level of meaning for that particular U.S. president that would transcend politics, and isn't it common for Catholics meeting the Pope to make a sort of gesture? (Kneeling maybe? I honestly don't know.) If it is common for a Catholic to do such a thing, and a president happened to be Catholic and did it, but claimed that it was in his/her "status" as a Catholic, how would people come down on that?

You just framed the argument that was used by the anti-Kennedy crowd in the 60's. People were hesitant about electing a Catholic for this very reason.

see Youtube, video (I can't post links): zP2C0dCUD3A

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

On this note, what would the expectation be for a Catholic president meeting with the Pope? From a starting point, such a meeting would be a meeting of two heads of state (U.S. and Vatican). But, I suppose theoretically, there would be a level of meaning for that particular U.S. president that would transcend politics, and isn't it common for Catholics meeting the Pope to make a sort of gesture? (Kneeling maybe? I honestly don't know.) If it is common for a Catholic to do such a thing, and a president happened to be Catholic and did it, but claimed that it was in his/her "status" as a Catholic, how would people come down on that?

I'm Catholic, I believe the correct greeting for the Pope is to kneel and kiss his ring. I can't speak for all Catholics, but if it was me as President meeting the Pope, I would greet him as any other head of state, with a handshake. I wouldn't kneel and kiss his ring because as President I would be meeting him as POTUS, not as a "Catholic". Maybe that's just me and I'm completely wrong, but that's what I would do.

Behind closed doors with just the Pope and I, I would show his position the respect all Catholics should. To Catholics this greeting is not to the man but for his position as Christ's ambassador to the world.