Redskins trading out of the 4 spot?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by celts32

I think a 3 and a 5 is good value. I am surprised if we can even get a 3.

For Campbell? Why not? It's not like he was putting up JaMarcus Russell or Derek Anderson numbers last season.

[Redskins_P]

I would take a 3rd and 5th for Campbell any day of the week.

[The Goat]

I want to hear more about the JC to Bills deal. Getting a 3rd rd pick for him would shock me...

[SmootSmack]

-Uncapped year I don't think it matters moneywise if we take a QB or LT or whatever in the first round

-Feel like I've said this a million times, but drafting a QB in the first round does not equal disregarding the offensive line. The Skins aren't planning on waiting until draft day, taking a QB at 4, and then going home

-Sure Bradford's shoulder is a concern, but all indications are that he's fine and if teams never drafted guys because they had injuries...there'd be no draft to begin with

-There's more buzz though that we're not taking either Bradford or Clausen in the first round (who knows for sure though)

-I think Moss should have been traded last year (if not the year before). His value is slipping but we need to see what we can get out of him. We also need to move forward with DT and Kelly and whoever else as our starting receivers

-Unfortunately we made moves in the past (Duckett, Lloyd, Taylor) that have no hurt us as we try to move forward. We can either sit and moan about it or make do with we have. What we have is guys like Laron Landry playing for a last place team so it makes sense to see what a guy like Landry can bring back. That doesn't mean you just trade him, it means you explore the options

-There will most likely be a draft in 2011 so the conditional status of any pick that year shouldn't be a concern

-Mentioned it in another thread (and many times before) but I'm keeping an eye on Jevan Snead. Reading between the lines of what people are telling me he sounds like a prime mid-round candidate

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I want to hear more about the JC to Bills deal. Getting a 3rd rd pick for him would shock me...

I don't have much more to tell you right now

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Campbell to Buffalo talk is reportedly really heating up. A lot is contigent upon whether Campbell would agree to a long term deal with the Bills. Latest rumor I've heard is Campbell for a 3rd and a 5th. (Others insist Whitner is part of any deal though)

There are a lot of deals/discussions in Indy during the combine. Teams will be wheeling and dealing during the next week or so.

I find it hard to believe we'd trade Campbell without getting a QB in return. That would leave us with Todd Collins (who I doubt will be a Skin in the fall) and Colt Brennan. No bueno. If we do trade JC for just draft picks, we'd obviously be looking to draft Clausen or Bradford, but what if they both go in the top 3? Granted, that's unlikely, but still. And then where would we be?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

For Campbell? Why not? It's not like he was putting up JaMarcus Russell or Derek Anderson numbers last season.

Because he hasn't really done much. He will probably never be more then a pretty good player. Russell is worthless but why would JC be worth more then Derek Anderson? Anderson had a season a couple years ago that was better then anything JC has done. I don't want to completely trash JC but i just think it's time to move on and i would be thrilled to get a #3 pick in the process.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by celts32

Because he hasn't really done much. He will probably never be more then a pretty good player. Russell is worthless but why would JC be worth more then Derek Anderson? Anderson had a season a couple years ago that was better then anything JC has done. I don't want to completely trash JC but i just think it's time to move on and i would be thrilled to get a #3 pick in the process.

Anderson was good a couple of seasons ago, but stats-wise JC played better than him and Russell last season. And while yes, stats are not everything (a blasphemy for GTripp), I'm sure a number of QB-starved teams would focus on that (just has some teams fall in love with combine results).

That being said, while I would definitely welcome a good draft pick for Campbell, I don't think we necessarily need to part ways with him. Other people are in charge now (not Vinny or Snyder) and even if we draft Bradford or Clausen, we need a QB to start right away so we don't throw a rook QB into the fire.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by DIE-NASTY

why draft a rookie qb this year? We'll have to pay him Stafford type money and he won't have a very good line in front of him. We should address the o-line this year with our first overall pick and probably our second and then draft a qb next year when if and when the rookie cap is instituted. Our line will be more seasoned (sanchez played pretty well all things considered behind a good o-line, stafford got the crap kicked out of him because their line is about as bad as ours) and we wont have to pay some PROSPECT Peyton Manning money. And who knows, if we upgrade our line and we keep JC, maybe he plays much better and we resign him which would negate the need to use a high pick in next year's draft on a QB.
Sorry, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse but it makes me feel better.

I too believe and know OL is the main issue. Our's was not one of the best. But the same arguement for QB can be used for OL or any other position. Why draft at position X, no one stands out at that position or only 1 person does and will be taken prior to our draft spot, which means the others are a gamble as to how they will work out in the NFL.

Picking up the Franchise QB in mid to late rounds is a huge gamble. We are the prime example picking up QB's late or UFA's and try them out only to cut them in preseason. I'm not saying you can't get a good QB, I'm saying your chances of finding the Franchise Payton Manning types are slim. You better off taking on of the top few tier QB's coming out of the draft which have better skill sets to work with.

If this was a year in which only a few teams needed QB's and the possibilities of one of the top tier QB's would keep falling into the 2nd round then I'd say wait. But when you only have 2 or 3 top tier QB's then there is a drop off in talent/skill then I'd say take one this year while we are so high in the draft to be able to pick the one we want vs. settling for second best cause the one all the coach's wanted was taken.

In other words let say the team decides to wait till next year to pick up a Franchise QB. Under Shanahan the team actually does pretty well say 8-8 or 9-7. Our draft spot would most likely be moved down to the middle of the draft say 14-17 range. But we committed to holding out till next yr to pick up a QB so we look at the talent and really only 1 QB is worth picking up under the impression that he would be a Franchise QB and he's expected to go either 1st or 2nd in the 1st round. Are you willing to give up the farm to move up to get the QB or are you going to settle for mediocracy and hope for a diamond in the rough or simply say we'll pick him up a year later?

Any new HC will want to get "his" QB to teach or coach to run his system. Look at each HC we've had....

Marty went out and picked up Sage Rosenfels.
Spurrier picked up Ramsey and Hamden.
Gibbs picked up Campbell and Palmer.
Zorn was an idiot but he did pick up C.Brennan and Daniels.

Shanahan will pick up a QB whome he wants cause picking up any General to run your team simply doesn't always work. Plus Shanahan's offensive scheme needs a QB who is accurate, has excellent timing, and can go through their progressions quickly. Plus Shanahan is known for getting excellent results out of mid to late round OL talent.

So I go back to saying if we need a General to run the team then we might as well get him now with a 3-5 yr plan on getting to the play offs/SB. Let Shanahan build his OL through FA and drafting after the 1st round since he's known to pick up good talent by doing so in the past.
If we are upgrading the OL trying to buy more time and protection for the QB, why can't we up grade the QB spot and pick up someone who can read defenses, get through their progressions faster, who has a faster release, and is more accurate as well. This would help the OL out as well.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by DIE-NASTY

a 3 and a 5? I think I'd rather keep the guy. He has shown flashes that he can play at a high level. Let's assemble a real NFL-caliber offensive line. Who knows if the guys we pick by trading JC to Buff will pan out.

The guy we would be trading for is an excellent FS. Which we need. Then you'd have the team drafting a QB ... Bradford or Clausen, and most likely picking up someone who is a younger Vet then Collins and can run a WCO or Shanahan's system. Then as you know there's the Pineapple Jesus.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Bigreds77

DIE-NASTY great post the same people that bashed Vinny for taking skilled players instead of a O Line are now wanting to draft a QB that may never work out.

No.... we want a QB that has potential to work out. We already have drafted a QB that has not worked out in Campbell and Brennan.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

-Uncapped year I don't think it matters moneywise if we take a QB or LT or whatever in the first round

-Feel like I've said this a million times, but drafting a QB in the first round does not equal disregarding the offensive line. The Skins aren't planning on waiting until draft day, taking a QB at 4, and then going home

-Sure Bradford's shoulder is a concern, but all indications are that he's fine and if teams never drafted guys because they had injuries...there'd be no draft to begin with

-There's more buzz though that we're not taking either Bradford or Clausen in the first round (who knows for sure though)

-I think Moss should have been traded last year (if not the year before). His value is slipping but we need to see what we can get out of him. We also need to move forward with DT and Kelly and whoever else as our starting receivers

-Unfortunately we made moves in the past (Duckett, Lloyd, Taylor) that have no hurt us as we try to move forward. We can either sit and moan about it or make do with we have. What we have is guys like Laron Landry playing for a last place team so it makes sense to see what a guy like Landry can bring back. That doesn't mean you just trade him, it means you explore the options

-There will most likely be a draft in 2011 so the conditional status of any pick that year shouldn't be a concern

-Mentioned it in another thread (and many times before) but I'm keeping an eye on Jevan Snead. Reading between the lines of what people are telling me he sounds like a prime mid-round candidate

1) If we trade JC to Buffalo, I'd almost bet my monthly paycheck that we will pick Bradford or Clausen at #4, not an OT, and likely also sign a vet who can start until the young buck is ready for prime time.

2) I'm not doubting you but I don't understand such Snead love. I saw a lot of him and was unimpressed. In the most charitable scenario, it seems like he would not be ready to start any time soon, but the guy I saw did not look like even starter material. My two cents in my role of "NOT a quarterback guru."

[Ruhskins]

I'm sick of hearing this....

Plus Shanahan is known for getting excellent results out of mid to late round OL talent.

Even if it isn't with a first round tackle, I want the team to put a lot of focus and resources in building the offensive line and not "chance it" with just low round picks.

Didn't we use to say the same thing about Bugle? "Oh he can coach anyone up."

I want for the team to draft at least a 2nd round tackle, to do their homework on the limited talent in free agency, and have a plan to address the offensive line, and not just hope that a whole bunch of mid to low rounders just work out.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Why are we such an impatient group/team that we have to try to add by subtraction? Why can't we keep the good players we have and take 3 years to build through the draft and FA over time? We don't have to trade Santana Moss, LaRon Landry, Chris Cooley etc. just because some are desperate for more draft picks.
If we have learned one thing from the Snyder era is trying to build a winner in one or two whirlwind off seasons does not work for us. We end up regressing.

All I can say is when I mentioned "Rebuild" mode I was kindly told we are 2 or 3 players away from a SB.

Then the GM Allen came out on tv and said the same thing... almost. Apparently "Rebuild" is a taboo word.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sick of hearing this....



Even if it isn't with a first round tackle, I want the team to put a lot of focus and resources in building the offensive line and not "chance it" with just low round picks.

Didn't we use to say the same thing about Bugle? "Oh he can coach anyone up."

I want for the team to draft at least a 2nd round tackle, to do their homework on the limited talent in free agency, and have a plan to address the offensive line, and not just hope that a whole bunch of mid to low rounders just work out.

Hear hear! All well said.

When is the last time that we said, "the offensive line dominated the ______"? We should invest resources heavily and intelligently into the OL.