Different Season, Same Trap

[RememberRFK]

44, sometimes I just tired of hearing the same thing. I am trying to be positive but I am not overexpecting. Is that a word?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by RememberRFK

44, sometimes I just tired of hearing the same thing. I am trying to be positive but I am not overexpecting. Is that a word?

I hear ya bro. BTW Im in the Cape. 1 town over from you.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Rock Cartwright
Ladell Betts
Fred Smoot
Cornelius Griffin
Randy Thomas
Antwaan Randel El

Originally Posted by spAtt

only 2 I'll miss..lol

The only one that I would've put up a fight for is Rock. El can nevevr step up to the number one spot in Santana's absence, nor could he legitimize his PR claim to fame. Randy Thomas is injured so often it doesn't matter anymore how great of a run blocker he used to be. Griffin's name isn't heard often enough to matter anymore. he had 70 tackles and 6 sacks 6 years ago and hasn't been CLOSE to that since as in the last 3 years he posted less than 30 solo tackles and less than 3 sacks. Smoot!?!? HA!!! The man swats balls like they're flys in his face. If all his ALMOST picks were ACTUAL picks, he'd have made the probowl this year. If I had to see him ALMOST make the pick that would've changed the game ONE MORE TIME i would go CRAZY!?!? And Betts's claim to fame was a half a season of good running when all of our o-line came back from injury. I wanted us to trade him for Sproles or something while people actually thought Betts was good, but we kept him and he hasn't been 'the man' ever since. In Portis absence, he never made me question why he wasn't #1.

ROCK on the other hand, is iffy to me. On the one side, he is not a legitimate threat as a load carrying HB and hasn't taking a KR to the house since 2006. He doesn't give the opposing team fear as a kick returner. That being said, he CONSISTANTLY gives us good field position and doesn't dance around and lose yards. He is good enough to do an NFL level job at any position we ever have put him in. I honestly dont' think we used him properly and that he would've excelled as a Brian Mitchell like 3rd down back! He has great hands and explosive change of direction and would be great if occasionaly used in the slot. Nobody can question his conmtribution to the team. I'll miss him, and though i would have kept him, i can see why he was released and I approve.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Also... i think it's funny how in other threads i said we were reliving past mistakes in some of our moves as in the signing of older players and our treatment of Campbell, ect.

When people said I was living in the past for saying that we were doomed to repeat it, i said that Shannahan was trying to turn McNabb into Elway and that our GM is trying to be his pops and relivive the 'over the hill gang', EVEN AFTER i said that only one of the players recently signed was under 30, i was treated like a hater.

Now on the official website they are comparing McNabb to Elway and have a big thing about the 'Over The Hill Gang'...

Funny

[RememberRFK]

I live in N.E. Cape off Pine Island rd east of Santa Barbara bl. WAY COOL!!!

[horse]

Remember this team lost like 6 gms or something by like 6 pts or less, this could be a quick turnaround and all the most consistently good team usually have a solid QB and this is our first one since brad johnson, Mcnabb is coming off a probowl year so damn right I'm excited!

[RememberRFK]

Me & my dad were @ the Skins vs Bucs game in 05'. Rock ran a Bucs kickoff back for a td! Up on the big screens @ the stadium, the replay froze the shot where Rock clearly stepped out of bounds! Since the ref's did not see it and there were no penalties, the play could not be overturned!!! The Bucs unfortunately won the game, 36 to 35. It was the best game I saw the Skins lose in a long time. Ye, and the touchdown they awarded to A-train was bogus! We really won the game. You have a point, since then, I really have not seen Rock participate much. Too bad.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by horse

Remember this team lost like 6 gms or something by like 6 pts or less, this could be a quick turnaround and all the most consistently good team usually have a solid QB and this is our first one since brad johnson, Mcnabb is coming off a probowl year so damn right I'm excited!

Yeah, if you look at the past two seasons and anticipate that Shanahan and McNabb are worth at least a touchdown per game, that's 10 games over the past 2 seasons that we lost by 6 points are less.

Now of course, it's not always going to work out that way but I expect that we'd lose fewer games by scores of 13-9 and 17-13 than we have in the recent past.

[RememberRFK]

That is exactly the type of optimism that I am looking for. It makes sense!

[The Goat]

Nice thread.

When I try to break the team into units it's very hard to see us above .500.

While our offense is getting lots of attention because of the Shanahans and McNabb, my bet is our defense will be the bigger story once the season starts. We're woefully short on talent to fill out the 3-4 scheme. Even if we find a way to add significant "older" talent as cuts happen is there any reason to believe Haslett can build a dominant unit? Haslett's group has been underwhelming almost everywhere he's worked.

Best case scenario I see then is we get Okung in the draft and have a few nice surprises elsewhere on offense. Somebody wins RG w/ force. We luck out w/ an older RT to play instead of Heyer. Thomas makes a huge leap forward. (My assumption already is Fred Davis will be a stud this year.) The RB rotation stays healthy.

I think all that translates into an 8-8 season after which Shanny goes looking for different answers defensively. If things don't go splendidly on offense like I assume then it's probably a 4-12 or 5-11 year.

[RememberRFK]

I have no crystal ball but I do not see that happening or at least I hope you are wrong. I don't know much but I do know this. New regime, new players, new attitude... 4 and 12 ?? Can't be. Wish my thoughts luck!

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by horse

Remember this team lost like 6 gms or something by like 6 pts or less, this could be a quick turnaround and all the most consistently good team usually have a solid QB and this is our first one since brad johnson, Mcnabb is coming off a probowl year so damn right I'm excited!

A lot of those close win/loss games came against teams that didn't end the year with more than 4 wins.

The only way you can truly be excited about this team and its prospects beyond this year is if you're a cowboy, giant or eagle fan. McNabb went to the Pro Bowl as an eagle, not as a Redskin. We know what he can do on the eagles roster but how does that translate to ours?

I don't know why many Skins fans are transferring 100% of his talents and output immediately to our team. We're NOT getting the eagles McNabb, we're getting a McNabb that will play for the Redskins, meaning he will go through a steep learning curve that will be hindered due to our gross lack of offensive linemen help.

Even if we brought in 3 time SB champion, Tom Brady, we wouldn't have the scheme that he was implementing in NE. McNabb's output is going to be drastically different on the Skins. You can say his output will increase coming to a new team but from the looks of our OL and the 3 gaping holes just on our starting line I'd say it's doubtful.


For all those seeing the draft as the answer to our OL problems remember that Okung or any other rookie LT will simply be neutralizing the loss of Chris Samuels. If you remember the start of '09 our OL still sucked when Samuels was able bodied and starting. Now put a standout rookie there and still keep 2 gaping holes on the line and tell me what are McNabb's prospects for this year?

So....what's all the excitement about again?

[RememberRFK]

I do know that I have read alot of articles this past week on how Mcnabb had all of his success in Philly with sub standard players around him on offense. I do not think our offensive players are sub standard. It makes sense that with off season practice, we should do better as a team than he did with Philly. (jmo)

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

A lot of those close win/loss games came against teams that didn't end the year with more than 4 wins.

The only way you can truly be excited about this team and its prospects beyond this year is if you're a cowboy, giant or eagle fan. McNabb went to the Pro Bowl as an eagle, not as a Redskin. We know what he can do on the eagles roster but how does that translate to ours?

I don't know why many Skins fans are transferring 100% of his talents and output immediately to our team. We're NOT getting the eagles McNabb, we're getting a McNabb that will play for the Redskins, meaning he will go through a steep learning curve that will be hindered due to our gross lack of offensive linemen help.

Even if we brought in 3 time SB champion, Tom Brady, we wouldn't have the scheme that he was implementing in NE. McNabb's output is going to be drastically different on the Skins. You can say his output will increase coming to a new team but from the looks of our OL and the 3 gaping holes just on our starting line I'd say it's doubtful.


For all those seeing the draft as the answer to our OL problems remember that Okung or any other rookie LT will simply be neutralizing the loss of Chris Samuels. If you remember the start of '09 our OL still sucked when Samuels was able bodied and starting. Now put a standout rookie there and still keep 2 gaping holes on the line and tell me what are McNabb's prospects for this year?

So....what's all the excitement about again?

Excellent, excellent points here. Still I'm excited because I think the offense should be much funner to watch, even if it doesn't translate into the pile of wins

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by RememberRFK

I do know that I have read alot of articles this past week on how Mcnabb had all of his success in Philly with sub standard players around him on offense. I do not think our offensive players are sub standard. It makes sense that with off season practice, we should do better as a team than he did with Philly. (jmo)

This is fairly true IMO, and exactly why Reid and Johnson were possibly the best coaching duo in football. Reid I believe is easily a top 3 coach. He's taken a franchise that historically scrimped on salaries, cap etc and made them a perennial playoff contender.