Haynesworth trade possibly in the works

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

When has Schefter put incorrect information out there related to Shanahan? Also, when has he ever furthered Shanahan's agenda? You don't think ESPN would discipline him for that?

I agree.
I would think that silence from Schefter would be more indicative of agreement with JLC's point, but I doubt Schefter would go out and play any part of a Shanahan media strategy using disinformation. My guess would be more so that Shanahan saw the media spinning away and possibly turning the situation into a J Cutler type one, so he tried to calm the waters through Schefter.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

When has Schefter put incorrect information out there related to Shanahan? Also, when has he ever furthered Shanahan's agenda? You don't think ESPN would discipline him for that?

who said Schefter beleived the information was incorrect. Also, you dont realize that John Clayton also works for ESPN and he cited multiple sources who said Haynesworth was being shopped. So two ESPN analysts reported conflicting information. One sites several anonymous sources. The other cites an "anonymous" source who most definitely has an agenda. Its not hard to read between the lines.

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree.
I would think that silence from Schefter would be more indicative of agreement with JLC's point, but I doubt Schefter would go out and play any part of a Shanahan media strategy using disinformation. My guess would be more so that Shanahan saw the media spinning away and possibly turning the situation into a J Cutler type one, so he tried to calm the waters through Schefter.

except that the great smootmsack himself indicates that Shanahan is willing to trade Haynesworth at a below market value. And tons of other reporters out there cite sources saying the skins want to move him and they'd be surprised if he's on the roster. I'm sorry if you don't want to hear it for some reason, but all signs point to the skins moving Haynesworth if they reasonably can.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

who said Schefter beleived the information was incorrect. Also, you dont realize that John Clayton also works for ESPN and he cited multiple sources who said Haynesworth was being shopped. So two ESPN analysts reported conflicting information. One sites several anonymous sources. The other cites an "anonymous" source who most definitely has an agenda. Its not hard to read between the lines.

I'll just repost what I did a few days ago, since it was missed:

The relationship between teams and the media is an admittedly complicated one. And the same media entity can have multiple sources within the same team making it even more complicated

Also, John Clayton did not say "actively shopping" he said "willing to part". And Schefter never said they aren't "willing to part" with Haynesworth. Like I said, they'll listen to offers for Haynesworth (more so than they would for say Devin Thomas) but they're not shopping him around.

except that the great smootmsack himself indicates that Shanahan is willing to trade Haynesworth at a below market value. And tons of other reporters out there cite sources saying the skins want to move him and they'd be surprised if he's on the roster. I'm sorry if you don't want to hear it for some reason, but all signs point to the skins moving Haynesworth if they reasonably can.

Who's smootmsack? Anyhow see above. Actively shopping and willing to part with are not the same thing. They're simply not. What the Redskins are actively trying to do is improve the team

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I trust JLC more than I trust Schefter when it comes to this sort of thing. his closeness to shanahan makes the accuracy of the information doubtful, especially when its to the skins strategic advantage to get false information out there. kinda like - whether it was about the search for WMDs or stories on the war in iraq, who would be most likely to report information closer to the truth - Fox News or the BBC? i'm not trying to get political beacuse I really don't care. I just think that, when agendas are involved, the media outlet with "closest" source is not going to have the most accurate information.

I don't completely discount your theories on Schefter having a conflict of interest with the Redskins. However, I don't give any credence to any of JLC's ramblings about "league sources" and "people in the know" or any other code words he uses to descise the fact that he is just spouting out of his arse. I don't think either of them are a great source when it comes to breaking news on the redskins. I think Schefter can be the best source for Redskins information as long as it's information that the Redskins want leaked.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

I don't completely discount your theories on Schefter having a conflict of interest with the Redskins. However, I don't give any credence to any of JLC's ramblings about "league sources" and "people in the know" or any other code words he uses to descise the fact that he is just spouting out of his arse. I don't think either of them are a great source when it comes to breaking news on the redskins. I think Schefter can be the best source for Redskins information as long as it's information that the Redskins want leaked.

I agree with that statement 100%, with special emphasis on the last part.

SmootSmack is my #1 source of Redskins information. In my book, he's just one notch above Florio.... kidding!

[over the mountain]

didnt JLC "break" the mcnabb trade? im not sure but i thought it was him over adam.

it kinda sucks to know good skins players (AH, rogers, landry, carter) are available but noone wants to pony up anything remotely comparable to what they would give us if we just kept them.

odd, id snap up landry or los for a 4th in a heart beat. AH, coaches call on whether he would want to deal with him and probably his demand for a new K, but id drop a 2nd rounder for him, especially if he says he'll honor his contract.

just weird to see such talent available all across the league with 2nd 3rd 4th rounders being treated like gold. boldin and a 5th for a 3rd and 4th? yes please.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

didnt JLC "break" the mcnabb trade? im not sure but i thought it was him over adam.

it kinda sucks to know good skins players (AH, rogers, landry, carter) are available but noone wants to pony up anything remotely comparable to what they would give us if we just kept them.

odd, id snap up landry or los for a 4th in a heart beat. AH, coaches call on whether he would want to deal with him and probably his demand for a new K, but id drop a 2nd rounder for him, especially if he says he'll honor his contract.

just weird to see such talent available all across the league with 2nd 3rd 4th rounders being treated like gold. boldin and a 5th for a 3rd and 4th? yes please.

i think its a combination of teams really feeling good about what's available in the draft, although it would not surprise me if there was some "collusion" going on between league owners. there are quite a few talented RFAs out there and very few of them are moving. i think its possible the owners are trying to put extra pressure on the players to accept some less-than-favorable terms in the next CBA.

[SFREDSKIN]

I would offer Campbell and Carter or Rogers to the Raiders for a 2nd rounder. carter is from the Bay area and probably wouldn't mind coming back here.

[SmootSmack]

Schefter is a professional who has worked and continues to work extremely hard at his job and to get where he is. He may be wrong, even the most experts of experts are wrong. And only Shanahan and Allen truly know what they want to do. But what they want to do may and has changed leading up to (and I'm sure during) the draft. But Schefter (nor JLC for that matter) is trying to push any sort of agenda.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Schefter is a professional who has worked and continues to work extremely hard at his job and to get where he is. He may be wrong, even the most experts of experts are wrong. And only Shanahan and Allen truly know what they want to do. But what they want to do may and has changed leading up to (and I'm sure during) the draft. But Schefter (nor JLC for that matter) is trying to push any sort of agenda.

i realize you may not have been responding directly to me, but I NEVER said or implied that Schefter had an agenda - Shanahan's the one with the agenda. To be honest, i'd be rather disappointed in Shanahan if he wasn't employing a good amount of strategery. Its refreshing when compared to the Vinny/Zorn days - when everyone pretty much knew everything that they were going to do long before they did it. Would you mind clarifying that one point i asked about earlier? I trust the information you share from your sources more than any official media outlet.

[NYCskinfan82]

This is what needs to happen 1 or more of our so called team leaders should call AH & tell him you need to be here if they haven't already. AH is his own man but the call should be made anyway.

HTTR.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

This is what needs to happen 1 or more of our so called team leaders should call AH & tell him you need to be here if they haven't already. AH is his own man but the call should be made anyway.

HTTR.

If Haynesworth isn't going to be traded, then he most definitely needs to be here. However, since all signs point to him being elsewhere, he'd only be a distraction. Plus, ever snap he doesnt take in the minicamp is a snap one of the other guys can get. no sense wasting energy on a guy who's not in the teams plans.

[CRedskinsRule]

Friday before Round 2 starts is gonna be a hellacious day for FO's. I can't wait.

[JoeRedskin]

They may not care how much he gets paid, but to assert that a 21M payout has no effect on their business decisions seems to be carrying their nonchalance to an extreme.

No, they don't have a vested interest in retaining AH as they aren't the ones who made the financial commitment to him. HOWEVER, it seemed to me that the reports from Schefter and such were that the Skins were shopping him at a bit of discount to avoid the 21M. It seems to me the only actual hard report of the Skins "shopping" AH came before the bonus payout. After the bonus payment, to my knowledge, there hasn't been a single solid report that the Skins have called any one and said - "Hey- will you give us an ____ rounder for AH". Rather, just some odd speculation that he's still available stemming from the Philly offer and AH's dissatisfaction with playng in a 3-4.

That's the point of CRedskins' analogy. We'll trade him for the right offer - but the right offer now is different then the one that would have saved us 21 Million.

[Trample the Elderly]

mm can i get a bid here, a bid there, who who who wants to bid, 25 to you sir can I get 30? 30 anyone thirty, thirty to the man with the hat, can I get 35? 35 can I get 35? let me hear 35? Going going gone.

Sold: fat ass overpriced B for 30 cartons of Kool. Please come up and collect your fat assed B.