What do Big Ben and Lawrence Taylor have in common?

[freddyg12]

man, this is a crazy thread!

I thought I'd just share my personal LT experience; he's from my hometown - Williamsburg, VA. I had a basketball coach in 5th grade that was one of LT's 3 best friends. My football & track coach coached LT & often talked about him. LT gave our program a lot of $, relatively speaking.

During my senior year, 86-7 the year the g-men beat the broncos & LT was mvp of the league I believe, he came to our school to speak. All of us on the football team got to attend, along w/a select group of a couple hundred that were invited, media included.

It was his first time ever talking about his drug addiction. He talked about overcoming his cocaine habit, which he essentially said sprang from having hundreds of dollars in his pocket & being bored, wanting to get the kind of high in the offseason he did from football. He seemed honestly changed to some degree, but was still short of humility. It almost seemed as if he was giving this speech in his hometown to fulfill a career PR obligation. I can't remember his words, but someone asked him about JOey T's leg, which he'd broken a year before. He answered in some crass manner. He seemed more upset about theiseman's leg when it actually happened though, I do remember that.

Anyway, Williamsburg over the years is much less proud of him than we are of Ron Springs and Bruce Hornsby. Not just his behavior, but his often arrogant attitude thereafter has been a turn off to a lot of people. Over the last 10 years or so it seemed he started to grow up. Nonetheless, this shouldn't surprise many people that are sports fans & familiar w/him.

[CRedskinsRule]

a commenter on the PFT Girl said she was 19 story:

I'm, frankly, more concerned that TMZ is able to gain access to FBI documents.

[53Fan]

Authorities: Taylor says he engaged in 'sex acts' with 16-year-old girl

[SmootSmack]

Giants fans must be so proud of Lawrence Taylor and Dave Meggett

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Giants fans must be so proud of Lawrence Taylor and Dave Meggett

What happened to Dave Meggett?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

What happened to Dave Meggett?

Legal Troubles

In 1990, while with the Giants, Meggett was also charged with lewdness after allegedly soliciting sex from an undercover Baltimore police officer[1]; he was later found not guilty of those charges.[2] In 1995, he was charged with assaulting a former girlfriend; the charges were dropped.[3] Meggett was released by the New England Patriots in 1998 after being accused of sexually assaulting and robbing a prostitute in a Toronto hotel room[4]; the sexual assault charge was later dropped by prosecutors.[5] He was again accused of sexual assault in June 2001 in Charleston, South Carolina by a woman that he met in a bar.[6] In 2004, Meggett surrendered to Dedham, Massachusetts authorities for failing to produce $191,600 that he owed in child support.

On September 1, 2006, he was formally charged with the Second Degree Rape of his girlfriend.[7] A month later, amid the charges, he resigned his post as the parks and recreation director of Robersonville, North Carolina. He was convicted of sexual battery and given two years probation in the case.[8]

In September 2008, he was charged with third-degree criminal sexual conduct after a 17-year-old North Charleston woman accused him of raping her.[9]

Meggett was again arrested on January 13, 2009, by police in North Charleston, SC, this time on charges of First Degree Criminal Sexual Conduct and Burglary. He was taken into custody when he showed up at the hospital where his victim was receiving treatment.[10] Both arrests put him in violation of his probation in the 2006 rape charges; North Carolina authorities have been notified.

Dave Meggett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[MTK]

Facts and allegations are two different things.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Facts and allegations are two different things.

true, but none of us know the facts about anything don't witness directly with our own eyes. and taylor did admit to pretty much everything before finding out that the girl was 16. i dont see any reason to doubt the main points of the allegations.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

true, but none of us know the facts about anything don't witness directly with our own eyes. and taylor did admit to pretty much everything before finding out that the girl was 16. i dont see any reason to doubt the main points of the allegations.

Did you know he admitted to some of these allegations (I don't think he's said anything about giving the girl a black eye) before you called them facts?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Did you know he admitted to some of these allegations (I don't think he's said anything about giving the girl a black eye) before you called them facts?

taylor never said anything about giving the girl a black eye, so i dont know where you got that from. in fact, the initial allegations even went out of the way to say he was not responsible for the black eye. from the beginning, taylors comments have pretty closely alligned to the allegations.

its not like the rothlesberger situations where there was alot of he said/she said. this is about as "open and shut" as they come. both "sides" agree that taylor, a married man, paid to engage in some form of sexual contact with a 16 year old girl who had a black eye at the time. taylor's laywers may dispute what he knew when, but those issues really aren't relevant. since everyone is agreeing on the main points, i have no reason to not beleive that they are factual.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

taylor never said anything about giving the girl a black eye, so i dont know where you got that from. in fact, the initial allegations even went out of the way to say he was not responsible for the black eye.

You said:

That, and being a scumbag. Regardless of whether Taylor thought the girl was 16 or 18 or 19, these disturbing facts remain - Taylor, a 51 year old married man paid to have sex with a prostitute whom he thought was 18ish and showed signs of being physically abused. Married +Cheating + Prostitute + Young girl + Black eye = Scumbag.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

true, but none of us know the facts about anything don't witness directly with our own eyes. and taylor did admit to pretty much everything before finding out that the girl was 16. i dont see any reason to doubt the main points of the allegations.

Do you have any contacts within the investigation or just going off of what's being reported in the media? As I and SS can tell you from experience in the media, believe none of what you read and half of what you see. The true FACTS rarely, if ever, emerge in the press in a high profile criminal investigation.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Do you have any contacts within the investigation or just going off of what's being reported in the media? As I and SS can tell you from experience in the media, believe none of what you read and half of what you see. The true FACTS rarely, if ever, emerge in the press in a high profile criminal investigation.

again, this isnt a case where taylors camp and the victims camp are preaching two different stories. so there's no reason not to beleive the reports that we have thus far. i'm sure there's much more to it than we know, but the basic scenario of what transpired seems pretty clear.

[CRedskinsRule]

"The only thing I can tell you was that [Taylor] had no contact with Rasheed Davis or anyone who acted like a pimp," Aidala said. "Let's deflate some of the myths. He doesn't know this guy.

"I don't think we are going to see any phone records of this person coming into LT's phone, going out of LT's phone," Aidala added. "In terms of Rasheed Davis, Lawrence is adamant that he has no clue who this person is."

According to the complaint, Davis sent the girl a text message on Wednesday in which he said he wanted her to have sex with "Client-1" for $300. When she refused, Davis began threatening her with text messages, prosecutors said.

The texts were "along the lines of 'I'm going to 'F' you up,'" Kramer said.

The complaint said Davis later beat up the victim, drove her to the hotel against her will and waited outside for an hour while she had sex with Taylor.

"I believe even by the investigation done by the district attorney's office and the police department, nobody is saying that Lawrence Taylor saw a bloodied-up young woman," Aidala said. "If he saw a young, underaged woman bloodied up, he wouldn't want anything to do with her except get her help. If you see some woman thrown into your room and she is in distress -- he did not see any woman in distress, bloodied injured in any way shape or form."
Aidala reiterated that his client did not have intercourse with anyone at the hotel that night.

"I don't think their statement is, 'Yes he had sex with her,'" Aidala said of what authorities are claiming. "I think their statement is, 'Yes, he had sexual relations with her.' [But] I don't have a copy of the statement."

Here is what LT's lawyer is now saying, from an ESPN story, and seems like he is trying to backtrack on a lot, from LT not knowing the pimp (so then who called is an interesting question) to the fact that she was not bruised. I think the lawyer has a tough job, and still believe he is trying to give the DA a line to make a deal on.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Is the answer to this question 2 Super Bowl rings?

If I am looking two mentor kids, I will pass on these two guys. If I am looking to win football games, I would take both in a second.