Condoms For First Graders?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Do you really think in your Grandfather's time kids weren't bonking in the hay barn?

And you know what else they were doing? Making their OWN damn condoms from the lambs they slaughtered THAT morning AFTER they walked to the farm twenty miles in the snow barefoot.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Do you really think in your Grandfather's time kids weren't bonking in the hay barn?

If a girl had gotten knocked up in my grandfather's time they'd send her off to live with a relative in another town. It's called ostercizing. As for the farm, there have always been shotgun weddings. My homeboy would be single to this day had he not knocked up his gal. Three children and a marriage later he's still going strong. That's because he still has what so many these days lack: honor, integrity, and a sense of personal responsibility.

You're attacking the symptom and not the problem. The problem is Americans are so rich that they can afford to be lazy and let someone else handle their problems. Most of these "so-called" social problems would take care of themselves if we allowed them to.

"So you knocked up your teenage sweet-heart huh boy? Well pack your shit, get a job, and take care of her. And don't show up for Christmas unless you've got a ring on her finger. If you don't you're no son of mine."

That's how it used to be.

Americans are so damned spoiled that they want to have their cake and eat it too. That will come to an end soon enough. The more you allow someone else to make decisions for you, the further into servitude you will sink.

You have a different philosophical approach than I do.

You seem to think man is a perfectable and all problems can be solved.

I believe man is inherently flawed and should be left to take care of his problems on his own.

You assume most kids will have sex. I don't. How many pregnancies do you hear of at all male / all female boarding schools? So using that logic do you give them rolling papers and needles if you assume they'll do drugs? Are you going to re-name fresh needles safety devices?

Maybe we should teach kids math and physics, not graft and getting physical?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

If a girl had gotten knocked up in my grandfather's time they'd send her off to live with a relative in another town. It's called ostercizing. As for the farm, there have always been shotgun weddings. My homeboy would be single to this day had he not knocked up his gal. Three children and a marriage later he's still going strong. That's because he still has what so many these days lack: honor, integrity, and a sense of personal responsibility.

You're attacking the symptom and not the problem. The problem is Americans are so rich that they can afford to be lazy and let someone else handle their problems. Most of these "so-called" social problems would take care of themselves if we allowed them to.

"So you knocked up your teenage sweet-heart huh boy? Well pack your shit, get a job, and take care of her. And don't show up for Christmas unless you've got a ring on her finger. If you don't you're no son of mine."
That's how it used to be.

Creating a group of under educated individuals who are more likely than not to end up criminals, living off the public dole, or dying miserable poverty stricken lives. They are also more likely than not to continue the underage sex/pregnancy problem. Maybe they beat the odds and become healthy productive citizens but, without going through the motions, I am sure I could find lots of studies showing both parents and children from teen pregnancy's are likely to end up a drain on society rather than a benefit.

Sure, it solves the parents' problem but it inflicts the results, for good or ill, on the rest of society. If kicking your son into the body politic and cutting off personal support is your solution, then you have made his education the body politic's business.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

If a girl had gotten knocked up in my grandfather's time they'd send her off to live with a relative in another town. It's called ostercizing. As for the farm, there have always been shotgun weddings. My homeboy would be single to this day had he not knocked up his gal. Three children and a marriage later he's still going strong. That's because he still has what so many these days lack: honor, integrity, and a sense of personal responsibility.

You're attacking the symptom and not the problem. The problem is Americans are so rich that they can afford to be lazy and let someone else handle their problems. Most of these "so-called" social problems would take care of themselves if we allowed them to.

"So you knocked up your teenage sweet-heart huh boy? Well pack your shit, get a job, and take care of her. And don't show up for Christmas unless you've got a ring on her finger. If you don't you're no son of mine."

That's how it used to be.

Americans are so damned spoiled that they want to have their cake and eat it too. That will come to an end soon enough. The more you allow someone else to make decisions for you, the further into servitude you will sink.

You have a different philosophical approach than I do.

You seem to think man is a perfectable and all problems can be solved.

I believe man is inherently flawed and should be left to take care of his problems on his own.

You assume most kids will have sex. I don't. How many pregnancies do you hear of at all male / all female boarding schools? So using that logic do you give them rolling papers and needles if you assume they'll do drugs? Are you going to re-name fresh needles safety devices?

Maybe we should teach kids math and physics, not graft and getting physical?

And if it was your daughter that has a full stomach? I can picture you sucker punching her in the gut one night like they use to do in the golden olden days.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

You assume most kids will have sex. I don't. How many pregnancies do you hear of at all male / all female boarding schools?

Having worked with young couples from a large Christian university I can assure you that many of them screw like crazy once they get around each other, including those that went to gender-segregated schools. So many of them marry young so that they can either start getting it on or justify it.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Do you really think in your Grandfather's time kids weren't bonking in the hay barn?

they were already dropped out of school and producing limbed STDs by 16 back in the day

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Sometimes I feel like I've crossed over into the twilight zone. I'm glad my grandfather didn't long enough to see this. He would've been so ashamed. To think we're actually talking about whether it's right or wrong to give children condoms. WTF? I'm out.

It was very honorable of you to wait until after high school "gradjeeation" to have sex.

[saden1]

This isn't about 6 year olds getting condoms for crying loud, it's about education. I was playing with my parents condoms when I was that age. I thought they were balloons and didn't understand why these balloons were greasy. Finally one day, my parents got wind that my brother and I were using their balloons as water balloons and told us to never touch "their" balloons or else. A few years later my father told us about the birds and the bees and told us about condoms and we both went ewww and that was that.


It's not fucking rocket science and if they don't learn from you they will learn from those nasty little kids they go to school with. It is best you teach them before they learn in school, whether through teachers or peers.

[over the mountain]

well, the article did say the student would have to request the condoms from the school nurse who could refuse to provide the condoms for reasons such as age.

so unless 1st graders know what condoms are, i dont see many 1st graders being like "yo bitch, hold that snapper open just a lil bit longer, i gotta go see nurse jones for some of them jimmy hats."

idk, sounds like the people thought it would be for high schoolers, not every kid in school from 1st grade and up. while that one board guy grosso is qouted as saying "they will revisit it", I find it suspicious that Fox news in the article states that he said or implied 1st graders should get condoms but didnt qoute him.

just sounds like some general idea tossed out there and noone thought of putting an age restriction in until people started realizing and complaining of the overly broad language, i dont think anyone intended to give 1st graders condoms.


this fucking courrier better hurry the f up. supposed to be here at 2 to have something filed with court in dc by 4. i called at 2:30 and he said he was sending someone.

[MTK]

Yeah obviously including "first graders" in the title is sensationalizing just a tad.

[SolidSnake84]

yeah back in the leave it to beaver days, it was also common for someone to take a 12 year old bride...

i agree though, the title is misleading, and a bit sensationalistic in nature.

Bottom line, kids are having sex in elementary school...its happening majorly, and if nobody will discourage it, then they at least need to know the consequences...

[CRedskinsRule]

just a curiosity question:

a man walks into a pharmacy with his 10 y.o son, goes to the condom section, and after talking to his son, purchases a pack. At the checkout counter, after paying he hands the pack to his son, and says now be careful. Should the clerk do anything?

same thing except now he walks in with his 7 y.o. daughter, and as they leave the counter he explains that she should make sure any boys she is with uses these. Should the clerk do anything? Wouldn't DSS be called by any bystander that saw this transaction?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

just a curiosity question:

a man walks into a pharmacy with his 10 y.o son, goes to the condom section, and after talking to his son, purchases a pack. At the checkout counter, after paying he hands the pack to his son, and says now be careful. Should the clerk do anything?

same thing except now he walks in with his 7 y.o. daughter, and as they leave the counter he explains that she should make sure any boys she is with uses these. Should the clerk do anything? Wouldn't DSS be called by any bystander that saw this transaction?

Sex of the child dosesn't matter. What is the moral equivalence between your story and the schools teaching about condoms and making them available to all students?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

Sex of the child dosesn't matter. What is the moral equivalence between your story and the schools teaching about condoms and making them available to all students?

Thanks for reminding me why I am trying like hell to stay out of the political discussions.

Go Skins

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Thanks for reminding me why I am trying like hell to stay out of the political discussions.

Go Skins

I wouldn't touch this thread with a ten foot pole with a condom on the end of it.