My Thoughts On The Glenn Beck Rally

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Yeah I understand exactly what you are saying, and you’ve obviously watched his show several times and decided that you didn’t like it for yourself.

I like The Colbert Report, but I can’t stand The Daily Show. I like Beck, I hate O’Riliey. I like Berman, I hate Kornhizer. I like Anheuser, I hate Miller. I completely understand personal taste like/dislikes, but I feel like a lot of people don’t like Beck without ever giving him a shot first and make up their mind from a few clips they saw. I made sure I got piss drunk off of Miller Lites a few times before I made my allegiance with Bud Light. I used to like the Daily Show back when Kilborn was the host but I really cant stand Stewart at all. I think you have to look at the Glen Beck show much like you look at the Daily show. They’re both entrainment.

Well see I dont think you can compare the two...Unless your saying Beck is a comedy show...which then you can and then I agree. Platform and presentation is different.

Now if you want compare to Olberman to Beck that is more true comparison.

As for Colbert...lol...that guy is the man. I watch him religiously..well should I use religiously in this debate when talking about the Cult of Beck? Pun intended? Anyways Daily Show is very good too, but Colbert is presentation of look through the bullsh*t on both sides show is very good and really what the political media needed in this time of extreme polarization between the 2 sides.

As we talk about this, though, it is always important to look at context and forums when any media presenting its news and opinions...because after all its politics. What tics me off are the people who simply agree without thinking. I tend to see and hear this more from the right than the left.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Unfortunately Beck has a platform (or pulpit in this case) where he stands up and gives opinions which he is paid very well for. The message itself I agree with him 25% probably, maybe less. How he delievers that message I disagree with 100% of the time with his bullsh*t theatrics, crying, yelling, insults, lying, twisting of facts and stats, and most of all inconsistencies and hypocracies. Beck knows this type of bullsh*t, TMZ-like, pro wrestling acts sells...extremes. Sh*t I know papa bear probably grown a little jealous. Dude knows he gonna be hated and he loves it. Adds to that persona...you see how happy he was to let people know he wore a bullet proof vest for his service on Saturday? People need to wake up and see it for what it is...a damn circus

Sounds like the left and Al Gore on Global warming.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Sounds like the left and Al Gore on Global warming.

Did you happen to notice the summer weather on the East Coast this year? In many areas it was the hottest summer ever recorded.

Ever.

Take your head out of the sand. Global warming is a scientific fact.

Unfortunately major corporate polluters are spending truckloads of money in an attempt to discredit the science. It's criminal behavior and you shouldn't support it if you have any respect for the environment.

[Hog1]

Sooo.........you got ....nuthin'

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Sooo.........you got ....nuthin'

Which would then mean I could base an entire religion around it, as has been done so many times throughout history. Like I said, I'm happy for other people to believe in these things if it helps them cope... whatever works. Just keep your crazy out of the government, thanks...

[saden1]

Clearly Hog1 has something so he wins again!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Which would then mean I could base an entire religion around it, as has been done so many times throughout history. Like I said, I'm happy for other people to believe in these things if it helps them cope... whatever works. Just keep your crazy out of the government, thanks...

Beck is what he is. Sounds to me like the rally was positive event for those that participated.

The problem with the bolded statement is that the Founding Fathers were "crazy" and they believed (as do over 90% of Americans) that the basis for our unalienable rights is from God, not other men or "government". Very important distinction.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

Most Americans Believe in Higher Power, Poll Finds - washingtonpost.com=

I know the problem the non-religious have with those who are religious is when they carry their desire to "save" everyone to extremes and try to force their beliefs on others. I understand and completely agree with the non-religious on that. However, those who believe (myself included) have a problem with being characterized as believing in "fairy tales" or just flat out being "crazy". The religion issue is always a very touchy subject for most and it is often brought to extremes by those on the fringes.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Beck is what he is. Sounds to me like the rally was positive event for those that participated.

The problem with the bolded statement is that the Founding Fathers were "crazy" and they believed (as do over 90% of Americans) that the basis for our unalienable rights is from God, not other men or "government". Very important distinction.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

Most Americans Believe in Higher Power, Poll Finds - washingtonpost.com=

I know the problem the non-religious have with those who are religious is when they carry their desire to "save" everyone to extremes and try to force their beliefs on others. I understand and completely agree with the non-religious on that. However, those who believe (myself included) have a problem with being characterized as believing in "fairy tales" or just flat out being "crazy". The religion issue is always a very touchy subject for most and it is often brought to extremes by those on the fringes.

Excellent post.

Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing my beliefs being referred to as fairy tales by those who chose to believe differently.

BB, where do your "inalienable rights" come from? If you do not believe in the existence of a being outside creation, aren't they just conveyed to you by other humans? If so conveyed, isn't it equally true that they can be legitimately denied by the same?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Excellent post.

Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing my beliefs being referred to as fairy tales by those who chose to believe differently.

BB, where do your "inalienable rights" come from? If you do not believe in the existence of a being outside creation, aren't they just conveyed to you by other humans? If so conveyed, isn't it equally true that they can be denied by the same?

Here's something I've always brought up when going down this path with those that don't believe.

There are two sides to the argument either God exists, or does not exist.

First, let's say non-believers are right and He doesn't exist. In that scenario, I still believe He exists, so I live my life in accordance with Christian principles. I raise a family and they do the same. We all obey the government's laws and are generally good (not perfect, but try to be good). I get old, sick, and die still believing in God. He doesn't exist so there's no heaven, hell, etc. I was just a mass of cells with electric pulses / chemical reactions going on inside, I never know if I was right or wrong, and I'm gone. No harm, no foul. I generally left my circle of influence a little bit better than it would've been had I not existed.

But.....what if I'm right, God does exist, and non-believers have flat-out rejected Him. Not a real good postion for them to be in.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Excellent post.

Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing my beliefs being referred to as fairy tales by those who chose to believe differently.

BB, where do your "inalienable rights" come from? If you do not believe in the existence of a being outside creation, aren't they just conveyed to you by other humans? If so conveyed, isn't it equally true that they can be legitimately denied by the same?

From an agreed upon system of government/culture that places value upon them. It is a creation of men and their philosophy and yes, it is possible they could be denied, look around the globe for countless examples. IF these rights were guaranteed by our supposed creator, you'd think he/she/it would do a better job of follow up. Just sayin'. Oh, I know, mysterious ways and all that. Right.

Specifically re: your point about inalienable rights, you might be interested to know that Jefferson originally wrote "All men are created equal and independent. From that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable." Doesn't sound quite as religious as "...all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable Rights..," does it? The Continental Congress changed the wording to emphasize "Creator." In my view, the difference being that in the original wording, it seems to point to the inherent rights of man as a natural being in and of himself, whereas the final wording indicates the rights as a "gift" from a benevolent god. What that tells me is that our government has been forced to pander to the religious since the very beginning.

Also, the word "created" doesn't necessarily mean the role of creator is played by a god. Could very well be a process, like, I don't know, evolution? Take it for what it's worth.

Whomever made the earlier argument for religion based upon a philosophy of hedging one's bets... that's too ridiculous for me to even comment on.

Why is it disrespectful for the religious to be told their beliefs are baseless when those of us who prefer to live in the real world must constantly be told that we "need saving" or "face eternal damnation..?" Why are religious views worthy of more respect? I'd love to hear an answer without "god" in the verbiage.

[Hog1]

Actually, this was going nowhere.......

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Actually, this was going nowhere.......

Agreed. No offense, and sorry if i come off like a prick re: religion... just something that gets under my skin.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Agreed. No offense, and sorry if i come off like a prick re: religion... just something that gets under my skin.

None taken, there are certainly plenty of maniacs claiming to be prophets of one kind or another.
HTTR.........

[12thMan]

The evidence is starting to pile up.

[CRedskinsRule]

I don't accept Global Climate Change as a thing that mankind has caused and is causing.

However, certainly Global Warming is a misnomer, because it is more that the whole climate is changing (as it has from the beginning, before Science could effectively measure it). That does lead to more extremes both hot and cold weather related.