What would you do if this was your son?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wait, so homosexuality is a mental disorder people choose to have? Is that right?

Political Correctness is a mental disorder for sure.



Love this place. Liberals can say the most idiotic things in the world and never get called for it...yet someone Conservative gets every word of every post dissected and threads are derailed to tear down the poster, right FD?

It's a football site, not a Presidential Debate. :cheeky-sm

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wait, so homosexuality is a mental disorder people choose to have? Is that right?

Apparently, with the new technology of 2010 you can now choose what disorders that they have.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Pretty much every parade is for "straight" people and the majority of clubs are for "straight".

Do you use this same reasoning when discussing blacks and whites? Seems it.

You should move to DC and see what it is like to live in multicultural environment, you might be surprised and learn something.

Yep, I have my "Straight Flag" sticker on my car for the Straight Parade every year.


Now I'm racist. The tolerant left strikes again!

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Apparently, with the new technology of 2010 you can now choose what disorders that they have.

You CAN choose to act on urges.

It's a choice to take it up the butt. Definitely.

But, could those urges be the result of a mis-wired brain or psychological issue? Of course.

We call alcoholism a disease now. Yet, even with a chemical dependency present, it's the same lack of personal responsibility that pours the beer in their mouth and a choice is made every time to drive to that next bar.


Sorry for actually thinking things through instead of singing the same "awwww, they're different so we just have to hold hands and accept them" song you do. So they're minorities...that means we have to overlook all of the health risks and social decay they're causing? That mindset got us the current President. Acceptance of the bad just to avoid being called a racist, bigot or HOMOPHOBE.

I've known gay people. I've worked and lived fine with them as long as they keep their sex to themselves JUST LIKE I DO...as a normal, considerate person. No one normal wants to hear about someone else's sexual preferences.

Go ahead, keep calling people who don't see your things names. It won't prove you right or help your cause at all. Last Tuesday proved that.

[mredskins]

Buster, I think you are all alone on this one not even FD is backing you.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Buster, I think you are all alone on this one not even FD is backing you.

Yes, because you said so.

He gets run down in threads too...some is vicious, some is jokingly because of his spelling that he even mocks himself (I think he enjoys it now).

But, really, no Conservative is allowed to make a point here. God forbid someone on your side would have to look at opposing thoughts and examine their beliefs...you may have to admit you were wrong.


I'm used to immature libs calling names instead of actually addressing issues...so don't think you'll actually make me care or hurt my feelings. It's how debates are conducted these days.

[MTK]

Buster, you're free to make whatever point you want. There's always a good back and forth between the left and right here, if you don't think so you must not be paying close enough attention.

[SmootSmack]

As someone who leans conservative, I feel it's ridiculous Matty that you try to stifle my voice (and GMScud's and FRPLG's and SGG's and CRedskinsRule's and Schneed's...)

I may tease Firstdown on his spelling, but regardless of his inability to spell and that we may disagree on some things (Biggie vs. Tupac) he comes across as someone who I can respect should I ever meet him in person and who is generally and genuinely respectful of others. And he can even mock his fellow right-wingers (http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...t-give-up.html). I would hope he doesn't take my ribbing of his spelling too personally because I think he's a good guy and I like that he's part of this site

[mike340]

Various impressions:

So what about the Hogettes?

She should have prepared to say that her kid went as Scooby Doo before and he wanted to be a different character from the show this time. The other moms seem like a-holes. As far as the other kids, I'm sure that they kidded him about it, but if he's been otherwise a popular kid he probably will stay that way. (I'm assuming they know him a lot better than the moms do.)

My experience is that some homosexuals are "wired" that way and others are convinced. I think most everybody on the board has seen cases of the former. At the same time I've met at least one woman who was a lesbian and finally realized she started because she was always hanging with her sister (who was a lesbian). She started going out with a guy and realized that the lesbian lifestyle wasn't for her at all.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm OK with homosexuality so long as I don't have to "pay" for it. (I am in agreement with my late father who disliked their co-opting of the word "gay" since it has no equivalent in the English language.) It pissed me off no end that when I lived in Boston the only health club I could afford was the YMCA, and even though I spent more money to avoid the riff-raff, I felt millions of eyes on me in the locker room. I needed to use the pool (I was doing a lot of triathlons at the time) and only ended up taking one shower at the gym, since when I got the shampoo out of my eyes I had more eyes staring at my privates than I could count (and I'm a mathematician!)
It pissed me off that I couldn't go see a sunset next to the Charles River without having to tell guys multiple times that I wasn't interested.
And one year I took off to train for tris (1989). My main focus event was the Double Iron in Huntsville (4.8mile swim, 224 mile bike, 52.4 mile run.) So when I check into the hotel there's this guy who's hanging out at the desk and talking to the clerk. Then when I take my things to my room he follows me, telling me he lives in the hotel... The night before the race (2am) he calls me asking if I'd like a "rub".!?? I had already mentioned (going to my room) about a girl friend 'cause I'd already gotten the weird vibe from him. I just couldn't believe the SOB did that. Needless to say, I got no sleep after that. That was followed up by the wake-up call from the desk. When I got it, I explained what had happened. He laughed and said I had a "lover-boy, ha, ha, ha". I proceeded to tell the desk clerk how the SOB would die. Needless to say, the desk clerk never could figure out the room number of the SOB and the SOB was never visible. Of course, my race was shot. The marines who were crewing for me wanted to "explain" some things to this POS, but I didn't want to get them in trouble, so I nixed the idea. One thing is for the SOB to have wasted one year of work. The other is for the front desk to have covered for him. For me, this is a one-two punch that is unforgivable.

Ironically, when I lived in SF there were a lot fewer problems than in Boston. In Boston I had no idea when and where would be the next disagreeable encounter, whereas in SF I was never in the gay hangout areas, and they seemed to be considerate when you weren't in their "zone".

As far as the bullying in the news, why such a focus on homosexual bullying and not on other? There are huge numbers of kids who commit suicide; why are just these being selected? I find this pandering to this group offensive. (Note: Think of that "almost non-sexual" college student. He was a freshman and committed suicide on Sept 20. His roommate would probably not have videotaped his first sexual escapade, since he probably wouldn't have been sure that it was going to be with a man. So the earliest he would have videotaped would have been the second. By the next one the victim knew what was going on, so that makes at least 3. My question is: Would you have been comfortable sharing a dorm room with a guy who is bringing multiple guys to "sleep with" in the first month of school? I certainly would not.
Shouldn't they give a heterosexual a chance to "opt out" of having a homosexual roommate? Either that or make coed dorm rooms. That makes for an even playing field.
In any event, a terrible shame no matter how you slice it.

And don't get me started on the manipulation of AIDS statistics in this country...(I've dug into it including with AIDS organizations, although not in the last 10 years, and no-one could give me any statistics giving a reasonable breakdown of the spread and probabilities of infection, especially if one isn't in any of the at-risk groups.)

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As someone who leans conservative, I feel it's ridiculous Matty that you try to stifle my voice (and GMScud's and FRPLG's and SGG's and CRedskinsRule's and Schneed's...)

I may tease Firstdown on his spelling, but regardless of his inability to spell and that we may disagree on some things (Biggie vs. Tupac) he comes across as someone who I can respect should I ever meet him in person and who is generally and genuinely respectful of others. And he can even mock his fellow right-wingers (http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...t-give-up.html). I would hope he doesn't take my ribbing of his spelling too personally because I think he's a good guy and I like that he's part of this site

I thought you just put up with me because you figured I was not going away. LOL

As far as what Buster has said here is my views on gays. I have nothing to back this up its just how I feel from what I have observed over the years. I think a % of gays actually do choose the life style for one reason or the other but probably to stand out and get attention. I then think a % for one reason or the other are attracted to men but I have no clue why. Sometime I wonder why girls are attracted to guys. I really don't care and I have never voted for one person over the other because of a gay issue. Its just a none factor to me.

MIK340 the Hogettes are grown men who can reason why they do what they do and how they dress.

[MTK]

Question for us straight guys, ask yourself this... could you "choose" to be gay?

I couldn't.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Question for us straight guys, ask yourself this... could you "choose" to be gay?

I couldn't.

A good budy of mine has a friend (actually a guy his family kind of adopted) who is/was gay for the first 15 yrs I knew him. This past summer when I see him I hear someone say he had found god a gone straight. That I don't get.

[DynamiteRave]

As a psychology student, there's a reason why homosexuality isn't included in the DSM anymore. Granted, it used to be... But homosexuality hasn't been included in the manual since 1973. Obviously nobody has to agree with homosexuality, but people that think it's a mental disorder are basically living in the dark ages.

It's like saying the earth is flat, when it's obviously not. Nature vs. nurture, will always be up for debate in terms of homosexuality, but anyone who thinks its a mental disorder... You might as well not even bother explaining it as to why it isn't. You're wasting your time and theirs. That view is so skewed its not even worth trying to explain it out.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by firstdown

A good budy of mine has a friend (actually a guy his family kind of adopted) who is/was gay for the first 15 yrs I knew him. This past summer when I see him I hear someone say he had found god a gone straight. That I don't get.

Those types of people were probably always confused about their sexuality and was never gay to begin with or maybe just bisexual.

He probably just found the right woman and things started making sense to him.

Anyone ever heard of the Kinsey Scale?

Kinsey scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

As a psychology student, there's a reason why homosexuality isn't included in the DSM anymore. Granted, it used to be... But homosexuality hasn't been included in the manual since 1973. Obviously nobody has to agree with homosexuality, but people that think it's a mental disorder are basically living in the dark ages.

It's like saying the earth is flat, when it's obviously not. Nature vs. nurture, will always be up for debate in terms of homosexuality, but anyone who thinks its a mental disorder... You might as well not even bother explaining it as to why it isn't. You're wasting your time and theirs. That view is so skewed its not even worth trying to explain it out.

Well said, totally agree