Huge FA Class in 2011 - But will anyone want to come here?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 44ever

DM has won a lot of games in this league as well. Can we sit here today and say Shanahan is performing at a high level? It's really hard to tell at this point.

I have to agree with the OP, I would be hesitant to send my guy to the Redskins org. in fear of deflating his value in the future if he didnt live up to Shans expectations.

I think it all depends on which Shanahan your talking about and what your expectations were?

When Mike Shanahan was hired everyone "assumed" he would install his running game and this team would be back in the play offs. Instead I personally think Mike realized he does not have the personel to run his "running scheme" and relied more on his son and the passing attack he brings to the table. Remember our OL is not good and he most likely realized it figuring they wouldn't create too many holes for the RB's. He had to have known by preseasons end.

So if your evaluating MS based on how well the team performed then no MS didn't "seem" to have done a good job, but he was not dealt a good hand either. I actually commend MS for the way he handled the players. We needed a tough HC to come in and not take any crap from the owner, or the prima dona players with their lazy attitudes and expectation of playing time. As long as all the players are treated equally then no one can complain. Haynesworth didn't want to participate from the beginning, it showed, and when he did show he thought he could either bully his way into playing the position he wanted to play only or become a problem. He got his wish... he was the problem. I'm not saying he's not a good player just saying sometimes players need to do whats asked of them. Thats what a "team player" is all about.

McNabb's benching I also don't have a problem with. If you take a moment and think back although McNabb was "better" then Campbell, he seemed to have his issues also. The very issue's for which I was against picking up McNabb and voiced those issues when the team did pick him up. Heck in Sept I had a co worker to is an Eagles fan telling the same issues and was glad the Eagles had gotten rid of McNabb.

It's pretty bad when you a fan and want the team to dump your HOF/ starting QB for an unknown but that also should have been a red flag to our organization. McNabb was slow into and out of the huddle, took too much time looking over the defense giving the defense time to adjust to the formation, either over threw players or threw dirt balls, and lastly is not a 2 min drill type of QB. He's definitly awesome with 4-5 min. left on the clock for a come back but leave him with 2 min. or less and he's just too slow and methodical.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

As far as McNabb is concerned ..ask yourself this .. Did Brett Favre playing with the Jets for one year set back the Jets ? I know it's not a great example as far as the situation but there hardly is a good example, however as far an aging QB who played with a team for one year then bolted I think it's similar ... HTTR ...

Plus I don't think Shanny has any foot fetish videos .. so we have that going on for us

I think the bigger issue is the fans had high expectations. Meaning some fans expected McNabb to come in and take this team to the play offs simply because he most likely will become a HOF. It's kinda hard to come to a team with only 4 months prior to the start of the season, learn all the play calls, have only 3-4 weeks to practice the plays and get them down like the back of your hand, and also have all the other players on page also. There will be a learning curve. We got to see what McNabbs was. If he stays around another year I'm sure he will know the offense better, but I doubt he stays around since Sexy Rexy (with his interceptions and fumblitis) seems to have a much greater grasp of the offense and how it should be run.

On a side note did anyone else notice at the start of the game Grossman would come out of the huddle fast, the lineman would only be set for 1 sec., and the ball was hiked not giving the defense time to adjust to the formation? the runs looked pretty good and some holes were made for them. But after the half Grossman seemed to me to come out of the huddle slow, the lineman would set for 3-5 seconds prior to the snap, and the offense as a whole did not produce as well. The run game diminished which looked like we were forced to pass only.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by takethecake

Wait... are you sure? Source?

Free agency cant begin until a new CBA is reached, and its not expected to be reached before March when FA has historically begun. I had not considered that aspect of it but Larry Weisman was talking about it on ESPN980 yesterday.

In my opinion, it makes more sense for the draft to occur before free agency, atleast from the teams perspective.

[CrustyRedskin]

Im sure we will over pay for over the hill underachievers wanting to get paid. We cant break tradition.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Im sure we will over pay for over the hill underachievers wanting to get paid. We cant break tradition.

We did [start to] break tradition last year. All of the old guys are cuttable with no cap hit. Bruce Allen sure has brought his contract designing expertise to the table.

[takethecake]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Free agency cant begin until a new CBA is reached, and its not expected to be reached before March when FA has historically begun. I had not considered that aspect of it but Larry Weisman was talking about it on ESPN980 yesterday.

In my opinion, it makes more sense for the draft to occur before free agency, atleast from the teams perspective.

Ahhh yes, I didn't think about that aspect of it either. Agree that it makes more sense too, though when has that ever changed anything haha? I know from my madden franchises the frustration that order brings...


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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

We did [start to] break tradition last year. All of the old guys are cuttable with no cap hit. Bruce Allen sure has brought his contract designing expertise to the table.

Also, we didn't overpay for the likes of Willie Parker and Larry Johnson. BA has definitely brought some financial responsibility to the team.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Free agency cant begin until a new CBA is reached, and its not expected to be reached before March when FA has historically begun. I had not considered that aspect of it but Larry Weisman was talking about it on ESPN980 yesterday.

In my opinion, it makes more sense for the draft to occur before free agency, atleast from the teams perspective.

You are correct. They were talking about it yesterday also on the radio that we might just see the draft come first for a change if the CBA is not resolved. Free agency might end up being over the summer, which might be a good thing for the Skins for a change. Force them to use the draft vs. throwing away draft picks.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

You are correct. They were talking about it yesterday also on the radio that we might just see the draft come first for a change if the CBA is not resolved. Free agency might end up being over the summer, which might be a good thing for the Skins for a change. Force them to use the draft vs. throwing away draft picks.

Seems more likely the cba won't be resolved by draft time. I think this will make for some interesting scenarios as pertains to movement in the draft. Will more teams want to trade out of the top 10 to avoid the big salaries & reserve some funds for free agents? Or will there be more interest in moving up into the top 10 since teams haven't signed any FAs?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

You are correct. They were talking about it yesterday also on the radio that we might just see the draft come first for a change if the CBA is not resolved. Free agency might end up being over the summer, which might be a good thing for the Skins for a change. Force them to use the draft vs. throwing away draft picks.

Exactly... The NFLPA wont like it though, as this will result in most teams holding off on signing beterans until everything else shakes out. As an example, if the draft had occurred prior to free agency in 2010, we probalby wouldnt have wasted our time bringing in Larry Johnson and Willie Parker.

[SBXVII]

Some interesting news.... especially in regards to Sinorice Moss.

Redskins work out veteran wide receiver; Haynesworth shows up - Yardbarker

The team worked out two players late last week, a source confirmed.

One of them was WR Sinorice Moss, the younger brother of Redskins WR Santana Moss.

Sinorice Moss was selected in the second round of the 2006 NFL Draft by the New York Giants, who waived him from injured reserve on Nov. 9.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think the McNabb thing is a bit overblown. People know that Shanahan has won a lot of games in this league doing things his way. If you perform you've got nothing to worry about. Can we sit here today and really say that DM was performing at a high level? Anyone?

If you talked hypothetically about a veteran Qb going to a new team that was 4-12 the year before, with a rookie left tackle, awful offensive line and that Qb has to learn a new system, I would tell you that veteran QB is going to struggle. Are you surprised that he did struggle? The entire team in particular his Offensive line and defense struggled.
There is no question McNabb did not play well.
McNabb came to a new 4-12 team and a new offensive system. QB's usually get a second chance in this kind of situation. Not thrown under the bus and blamed like McNabb was. There are hall of Fame Qb's that have had bad stretches, parts of seasons or even an entire season where they did not play well.
The point BHA correctly brings up is when things got tough this season and shit hit the fan, Shanahan showed very little loyalty and publicly shouldered very little, if any of the blame. He kept quiet and allowed the press to feast on McNabb and AH. Lets be clear, the team did not fail because of Mcnabb and Ah failed. The team, FO and coaches (son) all failed.
It is too easy to blame McNabb.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

If you talked hypothetically about a veteran Qb going to a new team that was 4-12 the year before and that Qb has to learn a new system, I would tell you that veteran QB is going to struggle. Are you surprised that he did struggle? The entire team in particular his Offensive line and defense struggled.
There is no question McNabb did not play well.
McNabb came to a new 4-12 team and a new offensive system. QB's usually get a second chance in this kind of situation. Not thrown under the bus and blamed like McNabb was. There are hall of Fame Qb's that have had bad stretches, parts of seasons or even an entire season where they did not play well.
The point BHA correctly brings up is when thigs got tough Shanahan showed very little loyalty to his players and in this case allowed the press to feast on McNabb and AH. Lets be clear, the team did not fail because of Mcnabb and Ah failed. The team, FO and coaches (son) all failed.
It is too easy to blame McNabb.

I think the press fed itself more than Shanahan did with regards to Haynesworth. When Al Golic can pass the damn conditioning test while AH is not, that's sure damn laughable.

Shanahan did admit to goofing up the first benching though.

Regardless of our talent deficiencies and his learning curve, McNabb has not been that great without his wheels. He's great at throwing bombs and throwing screens, but woefully inconsistent in the short passing game. He's been that way even in Philly.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

If you talked hypothetically about a veteran Qb going to a new team that was 4-12 the year before, with a rookie left tackle, awful offensive line and that Qb has to learn a new system, I would tell you that veteran QB is going to struggle. Are you surprised that he did struggle? The entire team in particular his Offensive line and defense struggled.
There is no question McNabb did not play well.
McNabb came to a new 4-12 team and a new offensive system. QB's usually get a second chance in this kind of situation. Not thrown under the bus and blamed like McNabb was. There are hall of Fame Qb's that have had bad stretches, parts of seasons or even an entire season where they did not play well.
The point BHA correctly brings up is when things got tough this season and shit hit the fan, Shanahan showed very little loyalty and publicly shoulder very litytle if any of the blame. He kept quiet and allowed the press to feast on McNabb and AH. Lets be clear, the team did not fail because of Mcnabb and Ah failed. The team, FO and coaches (son) all failed.
It is too easy to blame McNabb.

Ok, chalk you up in the McNabb sympathizer catagory. But this is exactly what I'm saying. I went to another site and they had a "Should we sign Payton Manning" thread. lol. I wrote why would we go out and pick up another old QB, bring him in to learn a whole new system for which he will only know part of by the start of the season, and end up complaining about his performance because he either didn't grasp it all or simply did a poor job. But the same could be said about drafting a QB. Whoever we bring in will have to learn the plays, play calls, and be comfortable in it. The rest of the team will be in year 2 of the system so they should know it better but the QB won't. Now if we keep McNabb he should have a better understanding of the system and should play better. However McNabb still has his issues of throwing over recievers and throwing dirt balls. He's not as mobile as he used to be as we saw this year and he's not the best QB during the last 2 min. of a game. But thats how he's always been. Ask any Eagles fan.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, chalk you up in the McNabb sympathizer catagory. But this is exactly what I'm saying. I went to another site and they had a "Should we sign Payton Manning" thread. lol. I wrote why would we go out and pick up another old QB, bring him in to learn a whole new system for which he will only know part of by the start of the season, and end up complaining about his performance because he either didn't grasp it all or simply did a poor job. But the same could be said about drafting a QB. Whoever we bring in will have to learn the plays, play calls, and be comfortable in it. The rest of the team will be in year 2 of the system so they should know it better but the QB won't. Now if we keep McNabb he should have a better understanding of the system and should play better. However McNabb still has his issues of throwing over recievers and throwing dirt balls. He's not as mobile as he used to be as we saw this year and he's not the best QB during the last 2 min. of a game. But thats how he's always been. Ask any Eagles fan.

I am not really a sympathizer to either McNabb or AH. I am more disappointed in the way it was handled. Now AH and McNabb's trade value is almost zero, because all of the teams know we do want them or feel they are any value to us.
I am also pissed by the way news filters out of Redskins park under Shanahan in form of constant press leaks. It seems like amateur hour the way Shanahan has handled players in the press.