Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

And "agreed" is a very loose term here. 32 owners in a room agreeing verbally to conduct illicit business practices is what you're hanging your hat on there Giantone? You have better arguments to make.

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What was "illicit",the NFL does everything by committee vote.....I mean everything so it is an acceptable past practice agreed upon by all 32 owners.Also if I remember correctly "recorded meeting minutes" are legaly binding and an acceptable form of documentation.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

And "agreed" is a very loose term here. 32 owners in a room agreeing verbally to conduct illicit business practices is what you're hanging your hat on there Giantone? You have better arguments to make.

To begin with I haven't seen anything that says any of the punished teams agreed to anything. And second...it does not matter either way. A verbal agreement is not binding in any legal way. If you prefer your NFL to operate in an arbitrary and capricious manner that could diminish a team's ability to compete then you're getting what you want. I'd say be careful though. Someday Jerry and/or Dan are going to be in a position to retaliate and this situation is proving is that whatever they do will be ok. Bad precedent set here. Very bad.

Verbal agreements are absolutely binding - If I make a verbal offer to do something in return for consideration from you, and you verbally accept, we have a binding and enforceable contract. A verbal contract is just as binding as written contract.

HOWEVER, if a written contract exists, in this case the charter documents for the joint venture known as the NFL, how that document can be changed is likely to be written into the document. I seriously doubt that it permits unwritten regulations or terms to be enforced against any club. Unless the teams passed this agreement in accordance with their governing rules (which I doubt seeing as it was done secretly), it can't be binding on everyone who has agreed to be subject to those rules.

Folks, just b/c the NFL is club for rich guys doesn't mean they can conduct their business any damn way they like. If one or two of the rich guys don't agree with how business was conducted and the "rich guy" rules weren't followed, many lawyers will become a little richer too.

[FRPLG]

I like having an actual lawyer who can explain situations like this more properly. I consider myself somewhat cogent on legal matters but nothing short of completely layman. Perhaps my views are as limited as others but it sure seems to me like some people have no concept at all how laws are applied and enforced in our country.

I have wavered back and forth about what I think is the right course of action. At first I felt this was a "grab the pitch forks" type situation. "Burn 'em all the hell." Then I backed into the "we wouldn't definitely win in a lawsuit and it could threaten the sport as a whole. it would be better to appeal to their sense of fairness."

I am back to the "burn the whole village down." Why would a team like Dallas or Washington care if the sport maintained the socialist approach? A law suit could absolutely threaten the very foundation that approach is founded on. In a real free market the Skins buy whatever they hell they want and can afford whenever they want to do it. The other owners have shown that they don't care really about fairness but rather keeping everyone in line. Sounds like how socialism has played out all over the world to me. And so often history has shown that it doesn't last. Those having to continually sacrifice get tired of doing so for everyone else and inevitably work to break the system. To me, the NFL, lit a fire under teams like Dallas and Wash that may end up causing real problems.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I like having an actual lawyer who can explain situations like this more properly. I consider myself somewhat cogent on legal matters but nothing short of completely layman. Perhaps my views are as limited as others but it sure seems to me like some people have no concept at all how laws are applied and enforced in our country.

I have wavered back and forth about what I think is the right course of action. At first I felt this was a "grab the pitch forks" type situation. "Burn 'em all the hell." Then I backed into the "we wouldn't definitely win in a lawsuit and it could threaten the sport as a whole. it would be better to appeal to their sense of fairness."

I am back to the "burn the whole village down." Why would a team like Dallas or Washington care if the sport maintained the socialist approach? A law suit could absolutely threaten the very foundation that approach is founded on. In a real free market the Skins buy whatever they hell they want and can afford whenever they want to do it. The other owners have shown that they don't care really about fairness but rather keeping everyone in line. Sounds like how socialism has played out all over the world to me. And so often history has shown that it doesn't last. Those having to continually sacrifice get tired of doing so for everyone else and inevitably work to break the system. To me, the NFL, lit a fire under teams like Dallas and Wash that may end up causing real problems.

100% agree.

[SirClintonPortis]

Geez, every businessman...big OR small, corporate CEO or entrepenuer, will face extreme temptation do whatever it takes for "survival", aka find a way to get what is best for his own company.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Geez, every businessman...big OR small, corporate CEO or entrepenuer, will face extreme temptation do whatever it takes for "survival", aka find a way to get what is best for his own company.

Yeah it's called competition.

[12thMan]

Yeah, Jeff Saturday trending on Twitter.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Yeah, Jeff Saturday trending on Twitter.

Is he also planning to sue?

[12thMan]

Haha..you know, he should.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsnut
Sure the Skins got screwed..but they are going to pay the cap hit they normally would have...the issue I have is a couple others got away with it on a smaller scale....and if you pursue a lawsuit, you will make enemies of those you depend on.
You really dont want the NFL a perpetual enemy of the Skins...think of penalties, fines, scheduling, supplemental draft picks, etc

Um, who depends on who? I think it's more the NFL depends on these two teams for money to help the less fortunate teams then the two teams depend on the NFL. Maybe these two teams need to drop their ticket prices.... you know because the market is so bad, and drop the price of food at the park.... because you know the market is so bad, and do away with the parking costs. Maybe just maybe they can lower themselves to the bottom half of the league in order to have money handed to them as well.

[NYCskinfan82]

An arbitration situation? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

Another plan of attack.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

An arbitration situation? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

Another plan of attack.

This makes sense. No messy public battle, and hopefully some sort of compromise can be reached.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

This makes sense. No messy public battle, and hopefully some sort of compromise can be reached.

It'd be awesome if we get some high round draft picks as compensation.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

It'd be awesome if we get some high round draft picks as compensation.

I'd be happy with just getting a portion of that cap room back, say 50% of it perhaps?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'd be happy with just getting a portion of that cap room back, say 50% of it perhaps?

Absolutely!! Still, we've missed some FA opportunities already but it could prove helpful in re-signing London etc.