Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts

[Balmerskinsfan]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Balmerskinsfan:

Polamalu (sp?) was a key contributor on a defense that took a team to a 15-1 record in his 2nd season after he didn't start for most of the first season. He got some All-Pro votes as I recall, too.

So, are you calling for ST to do the same thing? That would be nice. But it ain't gonna happen... LIke I said, if you love him as a "beast" then you will have to love his beastly behaviors. And you'll have to find ways to convince yourself that his "mental errors" aren't so debilitating because you love to see him make a really big hit.

Frankly, I prefer results. You can be a huge hitter AND play smart and winning football. See Ronnie Lott, Brian Dawkins, Jack Tatum, NIght Train Lane, Lem Barney, Ken Houston and a hundred or so of the really good linebackers. Or you can play like Sean Taylor...

Curmudgeon- Taylor was, I repeat, a ROOKIE. I recall Fred Smoot making some really stupid plays in his early years- remember when all he did was talk smack and get burned on late throws? Give Taylor some time before you start beating on him. Besides, if you really want to smear a Skins DB, there's always Ade Jimoh to kick around.

[Monksdown]

We have a very active, and proud Ade Jimoh fan club. Please refrain from commenting negatively on our soon to be hero. Thanks.

[Balmerskinsfan]

Every time Ade Jimoh is in a game, you can count on a long completion to the guy he's guarding. Jimoh is a B-U-M bum.

[skinsguy]

Wow, this story sure brought everybody out of the wood work! It is disappointing not to see both these guys at the voluntary workouts....we do need to keep in perspective that there might be more to the story than what we are hearing from the media.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Last year when I said that Sean Taylor was a meathead and it looked like he would be a "problem child", everyone here got their shorts in a knot because he was a "beast". Well, he cost the Skins a few games last year and was responsible for winning exactly none of them. Now he is showing what a team leader he is going to be. And now people here are upset with him. What took you all so long?

Folks, this is Sean Taylor. This is what he is and what he is going to be for the duration of his career in the NFL. The single best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If you love him as a "beast" then you have to take him for the team leader that he is - which is to say he ain't much of one!

He - and Moss - have Drew Rosenhaus as their agent. People around here really don't like the Poston brothers but I suggest that all of you start keeping track of Rosenhaus because this guy is far more trouble than the Postons ever were or ever will be.

There used to be an agent for NFL players who was famous for having his clients hold out - - with or without contracts. He became such a pain in the ass that lots of teams would not deal with him or any players he represented. He had to leave the business because none of his clients could get any deals done. Rosenhaus looks to me like the person best suited to take over that role for tomorrow.

And just so everyone here gets it right, you spell it:


M E A T H E A D

Rosenhaus and Snyder have a good relationship (since Snyder pays out big bucks for Rosenhaus' clients). I don't think Rosenhaus wants to ruin that relationship (the 'Skins have blackballed the Postons - see Kellen Winslow).

Taylor isn't a team leader and probably doens't want to be. That doesn't mean he isn't a beast. And what games did Taylor lose for us?

I don't think your assessment of Taylor is even in the ballpark - the guy is a baller and he will win plenty of games for us.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

CooleyAsCanBe:

Go dig out your video tapes from last year's games.

Now, check out Dallas II. Who is the guy playing safety in a deep cover-2 in the final minute whose job it is not to let anyone behind him? HInt: He wears #36. He gets lured into watching the backfield and doesn't get to double the WR deep when Springs thinks he has deep help. Result: Winning TD. This is with less than a minute to play and the Cowboys in their own territory and out of timeouts and needing a TD. Hard to blame anyone else for that one.


Now go and check out Eagles night game. Taylor's man catches a pass at the 1 yard line for a first down - sorry I don't recall if was the TE or Westbrook. Next play is a handoff to Dorsey Levens who gets hit at the line of scrimmage by some guy wearing #36. But #36 forgets to wrap up and Levens manages to survive that "beastly hit" and score a TD. That was the difference in the game. Clean hit by #36 with lots of ferocity, but the result was "TD - Not Washington Redskins" - apologies to Frank Herzog for that one.


That is just from memory so when you do your film review from 2004, maybe you can show me where he singlehandedly won a game for the Skins. I must have been napping when that happened...

Dude was a rookie. I know you think we should have All-Pros at every position and one or two bad plays is enough to stone a guy to death Taliban-style, but ease up on the guy. He had less than 10 games experience in the NFL, was 21, and made lots of plays for us.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SC

Now, check out Dallas II. Who is the guy playing safety in a deep cover-2 in the final minute whose job it is not to let anyone behind him? HInt: He wears #36. He gets lured into watching the backfield and doesn't get to double the WR deep when Springs thinks he has deep help. Result: Winning TD. This is with less than a minute to play and the Cowboys in their own territory and out of timeouts and needing a TD. Hard to blame anyone else for that one.

Now, go check out the other 59minutes of that game and tell me that's not why we lost instead :P one bad play can cost you the game, but only in concert with many other bad plays.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

I don't have a problem with ST's abilities, but I think everyone can agree that he needs to improve in certain areas, regardless of whether he's behind, ahead of, or right at the curve for the development of a rookie/2nd year player. That's the point though, he does need to improve and he does need to get on the same page as the rest of the D, and these workouts are, at least in part, designed for that. I'm sorry, but until he wins NFL Defensive player of the year honors, he needs to be at the workouts and camps working on his game because he's obviously not without fault yet.
I just think things like this are very telling with respect to a guy's character and what you can expect from him. They're also often a result of the program and college that they came from.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Any chance we could trade Moss? LOL

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I really do think he could pan out. I'm not counting him out already, I just think it's a very unclassy move on his part to not come to workouts.

[wolfeskins]

[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]This just pisses me off to no end. I just don't get this "the world owes me something" attitude. This shows tremedously poor character for both of them as far as I'm concerned. What great team leaders they are!
Neither one of them have an excuse for not being there. Period.




i agree with you 100%

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If I'm not mistaken, Taylor is working out with the rest of the Miami players in Florida. Again, I WOULD prefer him to be with the team, but I think it's a Miami tradition (even though Portis is with the team).

Moss really has no excuse.

[Daseal]

Uh - guess who else went to Miami, Malcolm. Yep - you got i!

That being said the QB-WR connection is much more important.

Sean Taylor has a ways to go, but I wouldn't trade him for Ed Reed man for man right now. I think he is an overall better player, and will soon eclipse Reed. That's just my opinion.

SC - With the #5 pick last year - what would you have done with it? Gone Winslow, trade down, Taylor? What? I'm just curious.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

With the #5 pick last year - what would you have done with it? Gone Winslow, trade down, Taylor? What? I'm just curious.

I would have traded it for freddie mitchell... THE PEOPLE'S CHAMP, ALL THE WAY!

[sportscurmudgeon]

The Sean Taylor Fan Club can slurp him all they want. Here is a fact.

No matter what else happened in the first 59 minutes of Dallas II last year, the Skins led with less than a minute to go. The Cowboys had the ball in their end of the field and a field goal was of no value to them. ONLY a TD would provide a Cowboys' win. The defense called was a cover-2 where the safety responsibility is to double anyone going deep and NEVER let anyone get behind them.

Sean "The Beast" Taylor got suckered in by Vinnie Testaverde - never to be confused with John Elway, Dan Marino, John Unitas or Joe Montana as one of the greatest of QBs ever to play the game - and Sean Taylor blew the assignment that gave up that TD. And at that time, the Skins had no time on the clock to recover from that blunder. Read that last sentence carefully, the correct description is "blunder".

Could the Skins have been ahead by 3 TDs at that point? Possibly. You can imagine whatever you want to imagine. Imagination is a wonderful thing because it allows you to think whatever you really want to think about any topic. ON the other hand, realilty bites. Because the reality is that the Redskins led in the final minute and ST "took it in the shorts" from Vinny Testaverde. Justify and rationalize all you want but that is what happened.


Someone else said they thought Taylor wrapped up on most of his tackles last year. If you really think that is the case, you really ought to give up your drivers' license and get a guide dog. Most of the time Taylor went head-hunting and just launched himself at the ball carrier. In fact, in that Dallas II game he cost the Skins, his futile attempt to make a play after he was totally out of position managed to take out Shawn Springs. He coudln't even manage to hit the guy in the "other colored jersey".


Sean Taylor is a fine physical specimen with lots of athletic skills who will make highlight reel plays. The problem with highlight reels is that they don't show you the boneheaded mistakes that Skins' players make which cost the team yardage and field position - - and ganes! You have to look carefully at each play in each game and not let your predilictions to slurp this guy because of his physical attributes prevent you from seeing what is actually happening out there on the field.

He's a MEATHEAD. Deal with it. Hope that his "meathead-ness" does not cost the Skins more games than his physical skills can win for them. So far, he has some catching up to do.