Prediction time! the Pre PreSeason Prediction thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

And you woulda thought under a new coaching regime the offense would be running smooth in its first scrimage...?

Actually heard Alfmo ran the ball extremely well against the first team D yesterday. Made a couple starting LBs look like bitches.

Tom Brady, in a no huddle scrimmage picked apart our D.

you know what that means:

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

And you woulda thought under a new coaching regime the offense would be running smooth in its first scrimage...?

Actually heard Alfmo ran the ball extremely well against the first team D yesterday. Made a couple starting LBs look like bitches.

Also heard our pass rush was better than theirs. With the kind of guys they have up front, that speaks good things for both our pass rush and our O-line. Athough on one hand, it's too early to be making judgments about any aspect of our team. But then on the other hand, it's better that we heard "Lichtensteiger made Wilfork his b*tch" instead of "Redskins O-line hapless versus Pats".

[Lotus]

It is expected that a renovated team struggle with NE in August scrimmages.

The odd thing that stood out for me was Gruden's report that the defense seemed easily winded. The defense hasn't built stamina in 2 weeks of camp?

[MTK]

Brady has been in the same system and with the same HC his entire career. I'm shocked he can run things so smoothly.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I think that Yahoo prediction was a bit off but not much. I think the Skins are definitely in the bottom third of teams in the league.



Its been interesting to read some of the reports from Richmond about the joint WAS/NE practices. It sounds like the Skins are pretty far off from what an elite team is doing.

That Yahoo article is just a preseason ranking, not a prediction of where teams will finish.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Lotus

It is expected that a renovated team struggle with NE in August scrimmages.

The odd thing that stood out for me was Gruden's report that the defense seemed easily winded. The defense hasn't built stamina in 2 weeks of camp?

I dont think this team is as renovated as people want to think. The D coordinator is the same and the players are mostly the same. The HC has changed but he said they are going to run the same offense with a few tweaks. That's not quite what I'd call a renovated team. Hopefully these tweaks will produce renovated results.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Brady has been in the same system and with the same HC his entire career. I'm shocked he can run things so smoothly.

That's the difference between Redskins football and winning football. The Skins are constantly chasing the flavor du jour whether its in coaches or players so there's never a chance for a system to take hold and achieve success. Hopefully Gruden is a flavor that the Skins brass like for awhile.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think this team is as renovated as people want to think. The D coordinator is the same and the players are mostly the same. The HC has changed but he said they are going to run the same offense with a few tweaks. That's not quite what I'd call a renovated team. Hopefully these tweaks will produce renovated results.

Running game would be the same except some power plays inside...passing game will be different, especially with all the twin TE sets. Hence the issues yesterday with it...peeps are still learning

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by irish

I also heard the Skins ripped off a couple of good plays. It sounds like NE pretty much ripped off big plays for the entire practice. I really think that the end of the article sums up why the Skins are bottom dwellers and teams like NE have year in year out success.

Redskins learning 'The Patriot Way' - WTOP.com

You seem to have forgotten that we were 10-6 and in the playoffs two ago, Our problems last year have been well-documented here, chief among them the fact that RGIII was not fully recovered from his knee surgery.

Now, we have a healthy RGIII back. I think you ought to believe that RGIII's rookie season was not a flash in the pan because you saw it. You know what he can do. Last season was the aberration.

Here is a question for everyone: How many wins is having a healthy RGIII worth to the Redskins? It's got to be worth something. Using last season as the benchmark, we certainly should win more than 3 games with our starting QB healthy.

So what's he worth? I think he could worth be as many as five games (from 3 to 5). I'll rein myself in a bit and say 3 games.

Now, if you compare the other personnel on this team to last season's personnel, we have to be better overall. We added two excellent WR's who are perfect complements to PG. We signed Hatcher who is the inside pass rusher we've needed. We bolstered the OL a bit. We have our rising star TE back. Hopefully, everyone else will have improved to some degree. That should translate into more wins, as well.

We know that our ST's will be better because it's practically impossible that they could be any worse than they were last season. That could help us to win more games, as well.

Starting with 3 wins (the same as last season), I would add 3 wins for a healthy RGIII, and another 3 wins for overall improvement. That's 9 wins.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You seem to have forgotten that we were 10-6 and in the playoffs two ago, Our problems last year have been well-documented here, chief among them the fact that RGIII was not fully recovered from his knee surgery.

Now, we have a healthy RGIII back. I think you ought to believe that RGIII's rookie season was not a flash in the pan because you saw it. You know what he can do. Last season was the aberration.

Here is a question for everyone: How many wins is having a healthy RGIII worth to the Redskins? It's got to be worth something. Using last season as the benchmark, we certainly should win more than 3 games with our starting QB healthy.

So what's he worth? I think he could worth be as many as five games (from 3 to 5). I'll rein myself in a bit and say 3 games.

Now, if you compare the other personnel on this team to last season's personnel, we have to be better overall. We added two excellent WR's who are perfect complements to PG. We signed Hatcher who is the inside pass rusher we've needed. We bolstered the OL a bit. We have our rising star TE back. Hopefully, everyone else will have improved to some degree. That should translate into more wins, as well.

We know that our ST's will be better because it's practically impossible that they could be any worse than they were last season. That could help us to win more games, as well.

Starting with 3 wins (the same as last season), I would add 3 wins for a healthy RGIII, and another 3 wins for overall improvement. That's 9 wins.

Warning! Optimism overload, Irish can't possibly handle it

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Also heard our pass rush was better than theirs. With the kind of guys they have up front, that speaks good things for both our pass rush and our O-line. Athough on one hand, it's too early to be making judgments about any aspect of our team. But then on the other hand, it's better that we heard "Lichtensteiger made Wilfork his b*tch" instead of "Redskins O-line hapless versus Pats".

I heard Brady would have been sacked or pressured on more than a few instances if it were a game situation.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Warning! Optimism overload, Irish can't possibly handle it

Amazing, in my original prediction I say the Skins will win 2x as many games as last season and RG will play better but yet I'm labeled a pessimist. I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist.

The Skins will be a better team this year but all the years of losing have taken their toll and even an improved Skins team just isnt in the top tier of of NFL teams. When its all said and done this year the Skins will be somewhere between 20th-25th out of 32 teams.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Amazing, in my original prediction I say the Skins will win 2x as many games as last season and RG will play better but yet I'm labeled a pessimist. I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist.



The Skins will be a better team this year but all the years of losing have taken their toll and even an improved Skins team just isnt in the top tier of of NFL teams. When its all said and done this year the Skins will be somewhere between 20th-25th out of 32 teams.

I didn't say anything about you being a pessimist. But 6 wins sounds on the low end to me.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I didn't say anything about you being a pessimist. But 6 wins sounds on the low end to me.

I think 6 is realistic but definitely not more than 8.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

Amazing, in my original prediction I say the Skins will win 2x as many games as last season and RG will play better but yet I'm labeled a pessimist. I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist.

The Skins will be a better team this year but all the years of losing have taken their toll and even an improved Skins team just isnt in the top tier of of NFL teams. When its all said and done this year the Skins will be somewhere between 20th-25th out of 32 teams.

Mainly, as has been said ad nauseaum, last year was it's own creation, built on specifically shallow grounds, of MS and Griffin distrust, and team implosion. Using last year as any reference is simply folly, as would be using 2012 in a vacuum. Assuming a healthy Griffin, and talented offensive weapons, all proven except Reed, the offense should be able to be a top 10 offense. The question is absolutely on D and ST. Using the fact that a Brady led offense was able to shred what probably will be a 17-22 ranked Defense, in an non-gameplanned scrimmage, just seems overly pessimistic to me.