Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time

[MTK]

Griffin definitely has a better arm and long ball, but Kirk's arm is just fine and he can certainly make all the throws.

[JoeRedskin]

I mean, physically, it's simply not a comparison. RGIII has elite arm strength multiple sources have made that point. Same for speed. As for KC, and like Matty said, he can make the throws and has adequate physical tools to play QB in the NFL.

In terms of the mental aspect of the game, the question for me is "Can RGIII progress in pocket awareness and working his progressions?" If yes, then his ceiling is much, much higher than KC's.

As for KC, the question for me is "How much can he improve given he is already playing in a system with which he is basically familiar? Can he cut down on T/O's or is he the latest, greatest Rex Grossman?"

Each has question marks and, in light of the circumstances, neither has really had a chance to show what they can do. Between his knee and the Shanny's offense, RGIII still has a lot to learn about the position at the pro level despite all his starts. On the other hand, KC basically had a head start by playing in a pro-style offense at the collegiate level but hasn't shown he has grown from the guy he was back then.

I think they are both good guys. As Smoot said, I believe KC can have a long, journeyman career in the NFL - that's where his talent level puts him. RGIII is still a question mark, he has all the tools to be special - really special - but we just don't know yet if he will be.

[WillH]

Here's why, even if he has value, Griffin won't be traded, because if he is, and he lights it up on that team, then our FO will be the biggest joke in sports history. The only way they could trade him and save face is if they get a couple first rounders out of it, and that's just not in the cards. They really made there bed with him, and now they've got to lie in it. And for my part, I would be sick, absolutely sick, if we gave up on a HOF QB after 3 seasons and saw him dominating somewhere else.

Because of this reason, once he is absolutely positively healthy, I think he's going to get the nod no matter how well Cousins is doing. If nothing else, you need to be damned sure it was Cousins that elevated the teams play and not the other way around. I think RG3 gets his shot again, and if he stinks it up Cousins may be back in. Also, it's the best chance that they will have to be able to trade either player.

Honestly, I'm starting to doubt RG3, but this team cant just give up on him after a couple serious injuries, we invested too much. I think the best case scenario out of all this is if Kirk lights it up, keeps us in the playoff race and RG3 finishes it off looking spectacular. Then, we CAN trade Cousins, because if we get a couple first rounders, or some other equal combination, we can get another second option at QB if RG3 really doesn't pan out. And if Cousins ends up being the HOF QB of the 2, yeah I guess it will still suck and feel crappy, but at least we will have gotten some value for letting him go. We will never get out of the value hole for trading Griffin.

I know I know, "we shouldn't care how we got the players, we should make decisions on how well they're playing." I totally agree to that notion in theory, but in reality business is business, and you need to see things through the lense of value. And I guess one could argue that having a HOF QB come to us from a 4th round pick would be value enough to trump the value lost in trading for Griffin, but even if Cousins wins the NFC East this year for us, can we say that we are sure enough that he will be a HOF QB to give up on the huge investment we made in RG3? I won't be that sure.

[SmootSmack]

Am I the only one that saw Griffin playing well to start the game on Sunday. This could have been his turnaround game the way things were going

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Am I the only one that saw Griffin playing well to start the game on Sunday. This could have been his turnaround game the way things were going

Sure seemed that way. Damn shame.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Sure seemed that way. Damn shame.

The thing is:

1. It was the Jags.

2. It was Kirk Cousins turn-around game too. (see 1)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

The thing is:

1. It was the Jags.

2. It was Kirk Cousins turn-around game too. (see 1)

Jags or not, point is he really could have used a confidence builder like that to get rolling.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Jags or not, point is he really could have used a confidence builder like that to get rolling.

He's going to need it because he's got the Eagles, Seahawks, and Cardinals right at the door.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Am I the only one that saw Griffin playing well to start the game on Sunday. This could have been his turnaround game the way things were going

That's what I thought, too. He was faster and more in synch than in the past. Just when Griff got it in gear, then...boom.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Am I the only one that saw Griffin playing well to start the game on Sunday. This could have been his turnaround game the way things were going

You're not the only one. He looked like 2012 RG3 and was doing a good job at protecting himself during his runs. I thought he did a good job at passing as well, including that long pass to DJax.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Am I the only one that saw Griffin playing well to start the game on Sunday. This could have been his turnaround game the way things were going

I saw him playing just fine, but this "could have been" thinking is now running deep into year 2. Last year could have been a different story if RG3 wasnt hurt, as he is now again.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Am I the only one that saw Griffin playing well to start the game on Sunday. This could have been his turnaround game the way things were going

For my part, yeah, the first few plays he looked good, but they were using the plays he's comfortable with. I still haven't seen much progression in working out of the pocket, but the real reason I'm losing faith is his durability. Maybe it's just bad luck that he's been injured this much, and I hope so, but I'm not confident.

[Defensewins]

RGIII is not proficient at looking off safeties, pickup the blitz and getting rid of the ball quickly even if it is an incompletion.
Some of the sacks he took against the Texans were awful and frustrating.
Perfect example: In the texans game on the play RGIII got called for intentional grounding. The Texans tipped their hand that they were blitzing as one saftey (Sweanger)and two LB's were on the line of scrimmage before the snap (never understood why defenses tipping a blitz).
Yet RGIII held onto the ball and tried running away from the bltiz instead of just getting rid of the ball quickly. This play typified the frustration I had with the 2013-2014 RGIII. He just thinks he is so fast he can out run the blitz.
KCousins in the Jags game was not tipped off the blitz was coming but had a LB or safety in his face right after the snap and he threw it to the feet of one his receivers.
That is the type smart of play I want to see a healthy RGIII make. That would show me he has learned something rather than depend on his athletic ability.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

RGIII is not proficient at looking off safeties, pickup the blitz and getting rid of the ball quickly even if it is an incompletion.
Some of the sacks he took against the Texans were awful and frustrating.
Perfect example: In the texans game on the play RGIII got called for intentional grounding. The Texans tipped their hand that they were blitzing as pone saftey and two LB's were on the line of scrimmage before the snap (never understood why defenses tipping a blitz).
Yet RGIII held onto the ball and tried running away from the bltiz instead of just getting rid of the ball quickly. This play typified the frustration I had with the 2013-2014 RGIII. He just thinks he is so fast he can out run the blitz.
KCousins in the Jags game was not tipped off the blitz was coming but had a LB or safety in his face right after the snap and he threw it to the feet of one his receivers.
That is the type smart of play I want to see a healthy RGIII make. That would show me he has learned something rather than depend on his athletic ability.

These are areas where we all know RG3 struggles. But it's not like he can't learn all this stuff as time goes on, just like KC I think will cut down on his turnovers. The question is if KC comes in and plays well, will the organization want to wait for RG3?

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Am I the only one that saw Griffin playing well to start the game on Sunday. This could have been his turnaround game the way things were going

Nope, you weren't. Looked to me that he was about to have one of his great games. A game that started with so much promise for him to build on turned into a heartbreaking day for him.