Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread

56FAN · 09-12-2005, 05:34 PM

i like ramsey i even have his jersey, but this turn over thing has got to stop.throw it away, do that one thing and we wouldn't even be discussing this. the only reason i would say brunell above ramsey this weeken is the rush is going to be nuts. and ol lead foot is going to be hit.

jdlea · 09-12-2005, 06:01 PM

Okay, if everyone is so Ramsey afraid is gonna fumble or throw the game away with INT's we will never have to worry about that with Brunell. Because if we ever face a team who puts up 21 points we won't be in the damn game. That's fine though, it's the reason the Redskins are a losing franchise now. Everyone wants to "win now." Problem is with Brunell, we're not gonna win. If Brunell plays the way he did this week against Dallas and Dallas's O plays anywhere near the level they did we're gonna get torched. I would rather Ramsey come in and throw 20 picks on downfield balls then watch Brunell get off of the pocket and throw the ball out of bounds on third downs.

I'll agree, the pick Ramsey threw was horrendous. The sack that forced the first fumble was probably his fault, but we got it back. The last sack that he lost was all the offensive line's fault. He didn't even finish his drop before his head got taken off. I don't wanna hear, oh Jansen's thumb, to hell with that. They got Ramsey killed. He didn't have time to get out of the way, the same damn thing would have happened to Brunell, but they didn't pressure Brunell. And they didn't need to. The reason I don't like Brunell? He was on pace to throw for about 120 yards on the day. That is terrible.

Next week we get Dallas and Demarcus Ware who looks like a beast. He's gonna eat up which ever QB we have in so I don't know how much I care who starts. I know one thing, if Brunell starts, they won't win. Just like last year when he started on Monday Night and everyone wanted to swear up and down that it wasn't his fault the Skins lost the game, but hey, he looked good against a whole bunch of guys who don't even play football now in the preseason...and he got hurt last year, so he never really got a fair shake. When does Patrick get a fair shake? When he leaves town? We can start Brunell and have the exact same year as last year or we could take a chance on Ramsey and see if maybe we can stop drafting in the top 10.

Bottom line: There's more potential to build a winning team with Ramsey, but nobody cares because Brunell doesn't make mistakes. Know what else he doesn't make? Any big plays. Does anyone remember last year? We looked exactly the same Sunday when Brunell was in. If that's what Joe Gibbs is looking for in a QB he needs go back into retirement because he's never gonna win again.

jdlea · 09-12-2005, 06:03 PM

Nothing made me more embarassed to be a Redskins fan then when Ramsey was getting booed by the fans. The game was 0 - 0. Ramsey had thrown a pick...the defense held. The Bears didn't score. The INT basically got wiped away. I do agree Ramsey should protect the ball better, but I think there are times the line needs to protect him better.

SmootSmack · 09-12-2005, 06:45 PM

I believe that if healthy then Ramsey should be the starter. We will never know what value he is to us-whether as our QB or as trade bait-if we don't give him the opportunity to start on a consistent basis for an extended period of time.

However, two things bother me about what I'm reading (or my interpretation of what I'm reading) on several posts here. It should be remembered that the strength of our team is our defense and our running game. It's as simple as that. So while I enjoy seeing big plays and an exciting aerial attack, the best QB for this team is not necessarily one who's going to be make SportsCenter's Top 10. It's someone who puts the game in the hands of our defense and running game, and doesn't take opportunities away from them. I believe Ramsey is fully capable of being that QB. He doesn't need to be a superstar highlight reel to lead this team. Just a smart QB.

Secondly, I almost get the feeling (and I have a feeling I'm not alone) that some people here won't be happy unless Ramsey is the person at QB, regardless of whether we win. I don't know about the rest of you but first and foremost I'm a Redskins fan, whoever lines up behind center.

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-12-2005, 06:56 PM

As am I. If Brunell can play smart football (I'm confident that right now he plays smarter football than Ramsey) then I think we have a high chance of winning. He just needs to be consistent with his accuracy, but thus far this season, it hasn't really been a problem.

itvnetop · 09-12-2005, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

It should be remembered that the strength of our team is our defense and our running game. It's as simple as that. So while I enjoy seeing big plays and an exciting aerial attack, the best QB for this team is not necessarily one who's going to be make SportsCenter's Top 10. It's someone who puts the game in the hands of our defense and running game, and doesn't take opportunities away from them. I believe Ramsey is fully capable of being that QB. He doesn't need to be a superstar highlight reel to lead this team. Just a smart QB.

This is exactly what I was thinking... I just believe Gibbs doesn't trust Ramsey's decision-making skills quite yet. Yesterday, he proved he can move the ball against a solid defense. But he still hasn't shown he can not turn the ball over.

I'm not sure increased game experience can fix the problems that Ramsey has right now- it's not a matter of him growing in the offense... it comes down to keeping the ball out of the defense's possession. It's smarts that Gibbs feels shouldn't be gained during Sundays at full tilt.

kingerock · 09-12-2005, 07:04 PM

i think it boils down to just that: turnovers.

If you can't protect the ball, I don't care that you can put up 300+. I like Ramsey alot, but he just hasn't gotten the job done. It's gotta suck for him and the inconsistancy around him. But I think Gibbs sees what I and alot of others see. If we can just get someone to manage the game and put Portis and the defense in a position to make plays we'll do alright this season.

SmootSmack · 09-12-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kingerock

If we can just get someone to manage the game and put Portis and the defense in a position to make plays we'll do alright this season.

Exactly. That's what we did yesterday. And most of our wins will probably come that way.

jdlea · 09-12-2005, 07:09 PM

Okay, I hope Brunell starts the rest of the season. Then, we'll see how well everything goes.

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-12-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by itvnetop

This is exactly what I was thinking... I just believe Gibbs doesn't trust Ramsey's decision-making skills quite yet. Yesterday, he proved he can move the ball against a solid defense. But he still hasn't shown he can not turn the ball over.

I'm not sure increased game experience can fix the problems that Ramsey has right now- it's not a matter of him growing in the offense... it comes down to keeping the ball out of the defense's possession. It's smarts that Gibbs feels shouldn't be gained during Sundays at full tilt.

I know increased game experience will only help him, but seriously, when is his time?

If Brunell is starting based on the fact that Ramsey is hurt, that's one thing. If it's not, I for one, think this may be some of the last times that we see Ramsey.

Something told me that Brunell would make it in early in the season.

Big C · 09-12-2005, 07:35 PM

the reason brunell wasnt taken out when ramsey was cleared was this

1. Precautionary reasons for Ramsey

2. Why take Brunell out when our offense is getting in rhythm with him in there?

saskin · 09-12-2005, 07:51 PM

I just heard Ramsey came out and said he wants to be traded....

overthehillgang · 09-12-2005, 08:58 PM

Good point, the Bears defense was nasty.

I wasn't too surprised Gibbs announced the Brunell would start. I feel sorry for Ramsey - has he had a fair shot? Unfortunately our hated Cowboys looked real good.

It is a shame our QBs stink. How good was S. Moss, L. Betts and Portis?

Begging for just 1 win at Dallas...even if it is 3-2.

overthehillgang · 09-12-2005, 09:25 PM

It would be very interesting to ask the Redskin receivers and the other players who THEY would want as their QB.

offiss · 09-13-2005, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Exactly. That's what we did yesterday. And most of our wins will probably come that way.

Do you really believe we will win games playing the way we played yesterday on offense?

Do you really beleive we will run the ball effectivly with Brunell in there? All we heard all offseason is how we have to throw the ball downfield to get the D to stop bringing 8 men into the box, well good luck with that, we now have recievers that Brunell can't reach downfield, so what do we think will happen, teams will start stacking the box again and grind our offense to a halt.

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09-12-2005, 05:34 PM	#76
56FAN Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MANASSAS VA Age: 62 Posts: 323	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread i like ramsey i even have his jersey, but this turn over thing has got to stop.throw it away, do that one thing and we wouldn't even be discussing this. the only reason i would say brunell above ramsey this weeken is the rush is going to be nuts. and ol lead foot is going to be hit.

09-12-2005, 06:01 PM	#77
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread Okay, if everyone is so Ramsey afraid is gonna fumble or throw the game away with INT's we will never have to worry about that with Brunell. Because if we ever face a team who puts up 21 points we won't be in the damn game. That's fine though, it's the reason the Redskins are a losing franchise now. Everyone wants to "win now." Problem is with Brunell, we're not gonna win. If Brunell plays the way he did this week against Dallas and Dallas's O plays anywhere near the level they did we're gonna get torched. I would rather Ramsey come in and throw 20 picks on downfield balls then watch Brunell get off of the pocket and throw the ball out of bounds on third downs. I'll agree, the pick Ramsey threw was horrendous. The sack that forced the first fumble was probably his fault, but we got it back. The last sack that he lost was all the offensive line's fault. He didn't even finish his drop before his head got taken off. I don't wanna hear, oh Jansen's thumb, to hell with that. They got Ramsey killed. He didn't have time to get out of the way, the same damn thing would have happened to Brunell, but they didn't pressure Brunell. And they didn't need to. The reason I don't like Brunell? He was on pace to throw for about 120 yards on the day. That is terrible. Next week we get Dallas and Demarcus Ware who looks like a beast. He's gonna eat up which ever QB we have in so I don't know how much I care who starts. I know one thing, if Brunell starts, they won't win. Just like last year when he started on Monday Night and everyone wanted to swear up and down that it wasn't his fault the Skins lost the game, but hey, he looked good against a whole bunch of guys who don't even play football now in the preseason...and he got hurt last year, so he never really got a fair shake. When does Patrick get a fair shake? When he leaves town? We can start Brunell and have the exact same year as last year or we could take a chance on Ramsey and see if maybe we can stop drafting in the top 10. Bottom line: There's more potential to build a winning team with Ramsey, but nobody cares because Brunell doesn't make mistakes. Know what else he doesn't make? Any big plays. Does anyone remember last year? We looked exactly the same Sunday when Brunell was in. If that's what Joe Gibbs is looking for in a QB he needs go back into retirement because he's never gonna win again. Last edited by jdlea; 09-12-2005 at 06:15 PM.

09-12-2005, 06:03 PM	#78
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread Nothing made me more embarassed to be a Redskins fan then when Ramsey was getting booed by the fans. The game was 0 - 0. Ramsey had thrown a pick...the defense held. The Bears didn't score. The INT basically got wiped away. I do agree Ramsey should protect the ball better, but I think there are times the line needs to protect him better.

09-12-2005, 06:45 PM	#79
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread I believe that if healthy then Ramsey should be the starter. We will never know what value he is to us-whether as our QB or as trade bait-if we don't give him the opportunity to start on a consistent basis for an extended period of time. However, two things bother me about what I'm reading (or my interpretation of what I'm reading) on several posts here. It should be remembered that the strength of our team is our defense and our running game. It's as simple as that. So while I enjoy seeing big plays and an exciting aerial attack, the best QB for this team is not necessarily one who's going to be make SportsCenter's Top 10. It's someone who puts the game in the hands of our defense and running game, and doesn't take opportunities away from them. I believe Ramsey is fully capable of being that QB. He doesn't need to be a superstar highlight reel to lead this team. Just a smart QB. Secondly, I almost get the feeling (and I have a feeling I'm not alone) that some people here won't be happy unless Ramsey is the person at QB, regardless of whether we win. I don't know about the rest of you but first and foremost I'm a Redskins fan, whoever lines up behind center. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

09-12-2005, 06:56 PM	#80
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread As am I. If Brunell can play smart football (I'm confident that right now he plays smarter football than Ramsey) then I think we have a high chance of winning. He just needs to be consistent with his accuracy, but thus far this season, it hasn't really been a problem. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

09-12-2005, 07:04 PM	#82
kingerock Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Age: 48 Posts: 360	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread i think it boils down to just that: turnovers. If you can't protect the ball, I don't care that you can put up 300+. I like Ramsey alot, but he just hasn't gotten the job done. It's gotta suck for him and the inconsistancy around him. But I think Gibbs sees what I and alot of others see. If we can just get someone to manage the game and put Portis and the defense in a position to make plays we'll do alright this season. __________________ Redskins fan lost in Texas for 20 years. Need a ride to D.C.

09-12-2005, 07:09 PM	#84
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread Okay, I hope Brunell starts the rest of the season. Then, we'll see how well everything goes.

09-12-2005, 07:35 PM	#86
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread the reason brunell wasnt taken out when ramsey was cleared was this 1. Precautionary reasons for Ramsey 2. Why take Brunell out when our offense is getting in rhythm with him in there? __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

09-12-2005, 07:51 PM	#87
saskin Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Antonio Age: 36 Posts: 355	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread I just heard Ramsey came out and said he wants to be traded....

09-12-2005, 08:58 PM	#88
overthehillgang Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 55 Posts: 4	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread Good point, the Bears defense was nasty. I wasn't too surprised Gibbs announced the Brunell would start. I feel sorry for Ramsey - has he had a fair shot? Unfortunately our hated Cowboys looked real good. It is a shame our QBs stink. How good was S. Moss, L. Betts and Portis? Begging for just 1 win at Dallas...even if it is 3-2.

09-12-2005, 09:25 PM	#89
overthehillgang Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 55 Posts: 4	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread It would be very interesting to ask the Redskin receivers and the other players who THEY would want as their QB.

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