We must draft better...

That Guy · 12-14-2005, 07:42 AM

#56, i can find you other capologists that say its not a big problem, just cause one person agrees with you doesn't make it true.

as far as the original topic, look at the bengals, when i went over their roster, 30+ players have been around over 3 years and there's a ton of draft picks in there too. most importantly, their high picks (CP, CJ) have been absolute slam dunks, and the lower round guys make up very cheap depth on their roster.

MTK · 12-14-2005, 08:17 AM

I love how people just can't let go of Desmond Howard. One draft bust and it's tainted Gibbs ability to "judge talent" for the rest of his life. Give me a break.

JoeRedskin · 12-14-2005, 09:52 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen -

I believe we have found the true meaning of Question 3.

MTK · 12-14-2005, 09:58 AM

This thread is pretty much done. Schneed, JoeRedskin, etc., great points and I think the majority of us understand what's going on.

Let's give this thread a proper burial and let it die.

#56fanatic · 12-14-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

This thread is pretty much done. Schneed, JoeRedskin, etc., great points and I think the majority of us understand what's going on.

Let's give this thread a proper burial and let it die.

Nice little shot Mattyk72. We all have our opinions. Just because one doesn't agree with you doesn't mean I dont understand what I am talking about. I gave articles supporting my claims as how the cap works. Now if in fact the skins have some how figured out a way of making money disappear from the cap, then I will be mistaken. I just havn't seen anyone make those figures just disappear. Dont say I dont understand whats going on. You have no idea what knowledge I have, or where I get my info. Like I have said before I have had two friends play in the NFL, one actually played for redskins, so I know how things work around Redskin park, and a friend who does alot of the memrobelia things with the players as a business. So I have pretty reliable sources in terms of info.

JoeRedskin · 12-14-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

This thread is pretty much done. Schneed, JoeRedskin, etc., great points and I think the majority of us understand what's going on.

Let's give this thread a proper burial and let it die.

Good enough. Thanks for the excellent points all.

56, if it seems like I was getting tense, I was. Your posts seemed to imply that those who did not agree with you were stupid for doing so and incapable of understanding the basics of the salary cap. At the same time, you backed up your points with arguments that seemed (to me anyway) contradictory and supported by vague generalities. To me, the implicit accusations I perceived and faulty arguments were EXTREMELY annoying. If I have misunderstood your methods, points and/or arguments - no problem, water under the bridge. I certainly am not taking any of this personally.

It is a shame the thread morphed into Cap Hell Analysis. The original poster's analysis was an interesting experiment in number crunching. One that lent itself to league wide comparisons (with some tweaking). Perhaps it can be revisited in the off-season.

But for now - WE WANT DALLAAAASSSSS!!!

PhxRedSkin · 12-17-2005, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

This thread is pretty much done. Schneed, JoeRedskin, etc., great points and I think the majority of us understand what's going on.

Let's give this thread a proper burial and let it die.

Thanks Matt, please let us all rejoice in the sunshine of our love, Gibbs that is....most important thing is g-STRINGS lose today and hopefully Tampa Bay. Then we all will really have to see our cardiologists. Like me and Cummins figured out, 10-6 to the 3, do the math....JG never had more fun than to be in this position. Win out and the only column need any looking at is week 18!

Originally a Boston Brave!

MTK · 12-14-2005, 10:38 AM

Sorry dude but you don't understand.

I'm not even sure what your point is anymore. First you were saying the Skins were doomed and headed towards a crash and burn, now you seem to be softening your stance.

Let's agree to disagree and move on. We'll check back in 3-5 years and see how the Skins' cap is then.

Schneed10 · 12-14-2005, 11:27 AM

56, the reason you've been so annoying in this thread is because you continue to make the same points over and over and over when nobody is disputing what you are saying. The problem is you're not listening to the points of others, because everyone is trying to explain to you why delaying the cap hits is not a problem. The issue goes beyond general capology written up by some cap expert, the issue is the Redskins' situation and how they're handling it. But you're just not getting it. It's like talking to a brick wall. To have meaningful discussions it would help if you'd try to understand the points others are making.

#56fanatic · 12-14-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

56, the reason you've been so annoying in this thread is because you continue to make the same points over and over and over when nobody is disputing what you are saying. The problem is you're not listening to the points of others, because everyone is trying to explain to you why delaying the cap hits is not a problem. The issue goes beyond general capology written up by some cap expert, the issue is the Redskins' situation and how they're handling it. But you're just not getting it. It's like talking to a brick wall. To have meaningful discussions it would help if you'd try to understand the points others are making.

Why are some people just plain rude. Have I attacked you in someway, called you annoying, NO. have beer and relax. We both are trying to get OUR points across, and I guess we have. we obviously dont agree, that we can agree on. This little thread is done, is there way it can be deleted so I will stop looking at it? Its like a bad wreck, you just can't help but to look.

All in all, nice little conversation. Just shows the passion we have about our Boys!! bring on the Cowpukes

offiss · 12-14-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Why are some people just plain rude. Have I attacked you in someway, called you annoying, NO. have beer and relax. We both are trying to get OUR points across, and I guess we have. we obviously dont agree, that we can agree on. This little thread is done, is there way it can be deleted so I will stop looking at it? Its like a bad wreck, you just can't help but to look.

All in all, nice little conversation. Just shows the passion we have about our Boys!! bring on the Cowpukes

Don't piss off certain individuals here with a different point of view 56, they will attack you like a school of perahna's.

MTK · 12-15-2005, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Don't piss off certain individuals here with a different point of view 56, they will attack you like a school of perahna's.

Always a victim, right?

Schneed10 · 12-14-2005, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Why are some people just plain rude. Have I attacked you in someway, called you annoying, NO. have beer and relax. We both are trying to get OUR points across, and I guess we have. we obviously dont agree, that we can agree on. This little thread is done, is there way it can be deleted so I will stop looking at it? Its like a bad wreck, you just can't help but to look.

All in all, nice little conversation. Just shows the passion we have about our Boys!! bring on the Cowpukes

I wasn't intending to be rude. I just wanted to let you know that you were frustrating in this thread. I found it difficult to discuss things with you and felt like I couldn't get through because you weren't really listening.

I'm not pissed at you or anything stupid like that. I just don't think you listened to anybody in this thread.

MTK · 12-15-2005, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Why are some people just plain rude. Have I attacked you in someway, called you annoying, NO. have beer and relax. We both are trying to get OUR points across, and I guess we have. we obviously dont agree, that we can agree on. This little thread is done, is there way it can be deleted so I will stop looking at it? Its like a bad wreck, you just can't help but to look.

All in all, nice little conversation. Just shows the passion we have about our Boys!! bring on the Cowpukes

I guess you should have taken your own advice in this post, you seemed a little stressed.

Hog1 · 12-15-2005, 09:55 AM

I must say, as in this subject of Salary Cap (I am always amused), who are the SO-CALLED experts depicting doom, dark times, pestilence, etc. for the Skins? Are they media types? Are they bean counters earning a bean counter wage? Or are they self-made BILLIONAIRE's (with a BBBBB) Billionaire?????
One of the things I have total confidence in Danny is his business acumen. That's right, how to make and keep (a shit load) money. Take a look at his financial track record. With all the unnecessary money we have spent in crazy player transactions over the years, it appears he knows how to forstall the "ever-looming" DOOM. If I am givin' the choice of believing in Billionaire Danny, or thousandaire media dork????????? you figure it out

12-14-2005, 07:42 AM	#1
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: We must draft better... #56, i can find you other capologists that say its not a big problem, just cause one person agrees with you doesn't make it true. as far as the original topic, look at the bengals, when i went over their roster, 30+ players have been around over 3 years and there's a ton of draft picks in there too. most importantly, their high picks (CP, CJ) have been absolute slam dunks, and the lower round guys make up very cheap depth on their roster.

12-14-2005, 08:17 AM	#2
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,048	Re: We must draft better... I love how people just can't let go of Desmond Howard. One draft bust and it's tainted Gibbs ability to "judge talent" for the rest of his life. Give me a break.

12-14-2005, 09:52 AM	#3
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 63 Posts: 10,401	Re: We must draft better... Ladies and Gentlemen - I believe we have found the true meaning of Question 3.

12-14-2005, 09:58 AM	#4
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,048	Re: We must draft better... This thread is pretty much done. Schneed, JoeRedskin, etc., great points and I think the majority of us understand what's going on. Let's give this thread a proper burial and let it die.

12-14-2005, 10:38 AM	#8
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,048	Re: We must draft better... Sorry dude but you don't understand. I'm not even sure what your point is anymore. First you were saying the Skins were doomed and headed towards a crash and burn, now you seem to be softening your stance. Let's agree to disagree and move on. We'll check back in 3-5 years and see how the Skins' cap is then.

12-14-2005, 11:27 AM	#9
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: We must draft better... 56, the reason you've been so annoying in this thread is because you continue to make the same points over and over and over when nobody is disputing what you are saying. The problem is you're not listening to the points of others, because everyone is trying to explain to you why delaying the cap hits is not a problem. The issue goes beyond general capology written up by some cap expert, the issue is the Redskins' situation and how they're handling it. But you're just not getting it. It's like talking to a brick wall. To have meaningful discussions it would help if you'd try to understand the points others are making.

12-15-2005, 09:55 AM	#15
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: We must draft better... I must say, as in this subject of Salary Cap (I am always amused), who are the SO-CALLED experts depicting doom, dark times, pestilence, etc. for the Skins? Are they media types? Are they bean counters earning a bean counter wage? Or are they self-made BILLIONAIRE's (with a BBBBB) Billionaire????? One of the things I have total confidence in Danny is his business acumen. That's right, how to make and keep (a shit load) money. Take a look at his financial track record. With all the unnecessary money we have spent in crazy player transactions over the years, it appears he knows how to forstall the "ever-looming" DOOM. If I am givin' the choice of believing in Billionaire Danny, or thousandaire media dork????????? you figure it out __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

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