Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach (Volume 2)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The Giants granting Fewell permission to interview with a division rival reminds me of the Eagles trading its "franchise QB" donovan mcnabb to a division rival.

Sigh. You're joking right?

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The Giants granting Fewell permission to interview with a division rival reminds me of the Eagles trading its "franchise QB" donovan mcnabb to a division rival.

Really? You're comparing an aging player who was on the downside of his career to a young up and coming coordinator?

[44Deezel]

I'm starting to talk myself into a Wisenhunt/Grimm combo. Grimm's record as an O-line coach is stellar, but he's never been a Coordinator. With 4 rings and a HOF jacket, I'm sure he'd have the player's respect. He's a run first, pound and ground guy.

Yes, Wisenhunt it a re-tread, but so was Belichick when the Pats hired him. I thought he got a raw deal in Arizona.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Shanahan did not create the cap penalty. He followed the league rules to a t. John Mara and Roger Goodell created the cap penalty. To enforce illegal collusion that most of the NFL owners participated in 2010.

lol, saying that Shanahan created the cap penalty is like saying a mugging victim must have robbed and beat up himself.

Shanahan was warned by the league prior to doing so . . . and HE made the decision to roll the dice thinking the league wouldn't follow through for fear of "collusion" being thrown around .. . HE lost the gamble and the Skins were stripped of 36 million in cap space . . . regardless of whether or not you believe the penalties were justified, Shanny new that punishment would occur if they did not get the NFL to stand down as we all know they couldn't . . .

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Jayroc24

I will say that I remember when Gibbs was going to call the 2nd time out in a row that Smith ran over and tried to stop him, do y'all remember that?

i firmly believe gibbs did that to protect our kicker from feeling bad if he missed the kick and the team didnt win for ST bc of that against the bills. before the penalty it was a 50-50 chance for our kicker (suisham, cundiff or novak?). sloppy field?

i firmly believe gibbs made the decision to put people (or person) in front of a game.

no need to lambast me, call me silly or stupid or ask for proof.

just my firm belief. i think gibbs is that much a spiritual and paternal person that he tried to protect the kicker from a lifetime of guilt. right or wrong

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

Shanahan was warned by the league prior to doing so . . . and HE made the decision to roll the dice thinking the league wouldn't follow through for fear of "collusion" being thrown around .. . HE lost the gamble and the Skins were stripped of 36 million in cap space . . . regardless of whether or not you believe the penalties were justified, Shanny new that punishment would occur if they did not get the NFL to stand down as we all know they couldn't . . .

either way, we'd be paying it somehow. whether in the cap penalty the league imposed or over the years the money was guaranteed in the first place.

there are a lot better and more biting reasons to call shanahan a failure than the cap penalty.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Really? You're comparing an aging player who was on the downside of his career to a young up and coming coordinator?

I dont think Fewell is "up and coming." I certainly dont remember a time where he's had a truly fearsome defense. Of all the sub-par candidates we've been linked to, he's the least impressive of the bunch. He's a defensive version of Jason Garrett.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i firmly believe gibbs did that to protect our kicker from feeling bad if he missed the kick and the team didnt win for ST bc of that against the bills. before the penalty it was a 50-50 chance for our kicker (suisham, cundiff or novak?). sloppy field?

i firmly believe gibbs made the decision to put people (or person) in front of a game.

no need to lambast me, call me silly or stupid or ask for proof.

just my firm belief. i think gibbs is that much a spiritual and paternal person that he tried to protect the kicker from a lifetime of guilt. right or wrong

Gibbs is a great guy, but I think the most basic explanation, that he lost track of the situation, makes the most sense.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Shanahan did not create the cap penalty. He followed the league rules to a t. John Mara and Roger Goodell created the cap penalty. To enforce illegal collusion that most of the NFL owners participated in 2010.

lol, saying that Shanahan created the cap penalty is like saying a mugging victim must have robbed and beat up himself.

A few cap gurus have said Mike's way of handling the cap situation resulted in how the penalty was structured.


Matty pointed out Mike had cap infractions in Denver too, so it's not like he's got a great reputation there.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

either way, we'd be paying it somehow. whether in the cap penalty the league imposed or over the years the money was guaranteed in the first place.

there are a lot better and more biting reasons to call shanahan a failure than the cap penalty.

That's not what started this . . . my calling Shanny the reason for the cap penalty was a result of someone (whoever i 1st quoted) stating that the cap penalty was an excuse for Shanny's poor performance . . . since it is his fault, he cannot use it as an excuse . . . that's all I was saying

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Really? You're comparing an aging player who was on the downside of his career to a young up and coming coordinator?

Well it's a dumb comparison, because Fewell cannot be denied a chance to interview for a head coach position no matter what the team.

[HailGreen28]

Matty, smoot, JR, RR, other knowledgeable posters: please let me know where I screw up this explanation:

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

Shanahan was warned by the league prior to doing so

Yes, Shanahan didn't go along with the league's illegal collusion. The fault in this matter is not his. Wild example: If you own a franchise restaurant, and the franchise tells you to hold down your employees wages below the legal minimum or else, and you refuse, is the franchise justified in punishing you? Collusion to hold down NFL clubs spending, in an uncapped year, violated the CBA between the NFL and NFLPA at that time. Without the CBA, the NFL faces a lot of difficulty from existing federal anti-trust laws.

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

and HE made the decision to roll the dice thinking the league wouldn't follow through for fear of "collusion" being thrown around

And initially, the NFL front office blinked. The league APPROVED the restructured contracts (for Haynesworth and Hall) that Shanny and Allen submitted. Because there was no salary cap that year, and the Skins and player agents agreed to the deal, the league had no legal grounds to reject the contracts. For NFL ownership to do so, to appear to violate the terms of the existing CBA (This wasn't a case of well maybe the cap was expired, the CBA in effect in 2010 specifically set that year as an UNCAPPED YEAR) , while negotiating a new CBA, would have raised plenty of eyebrows. So again, Shanny's contracts in question were approved by the NFL league office.

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

HE lost the gamble and the Skins were stripped of 36 million in cap space

Two years after the fact, literally on the eve of free agency in 2012, the league front office announced the cap "penalty" against the Skins and cowboys, for contracts the league had approved in 2010. And the NFLPA had signed the new CBA, one of which terms was that the NFLPA could not sue the league for collusion prior to the new CBA. (This is the official basis on which the NFL front office could say basically that the Players Association had agreed to the penalty. This is what shut down the NFLPA's attempt to sue the league after the cap penalty came out. How much was said between the front office and players union behind the scenes before and after, and between the front office and the Skins, I dunno.) Doesn't change the morality of the matter.

Again the fault in this is not Shanny's. Blame those two duplicitous crooks Mara and Goodell, Demaurice Smith (exec of the NFLPA), and the owners that voted to enforce the penalties.

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

regardless of whether or not you believe the penalties were justified, Shanny new that punishment would occur if they did not get the NFL to stand down as we all know they couldn't . . .

The NFL stood down in 2010, as described as above. That NFL ownership then proceeded in 2010-11 negotiations to get their ducks in a row, so among other things they could punish the Skins and cowboys for not going along with the NFLs warning about "taking advantage" of the "loophole" of the uncapped year. (Collusion, there is no better word for it in this case), isn't Shanny's fault. It's the fault of the people I listed above. In what degree, more knowledgeable people than me can tell us.

[Hog1]

I am........confident I was left off the knowledgeable list of posters as an....oversight

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I am........confident I was left off the knowledgeable list of posters as an....oversight

LOL, you and many more posters on this site than I could list, as more knowledgeable and probably smarter than me.

I'm interested in you and others telling me where I misunderstand the "cap-gate" situation.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well it's a dumb comparison, because Fewell cannot be denied a chance to interview for a head coach position no matter what the team.

It's just more venom to be randomly and illogically spewed on an institution that is now more hated than loved by some of its erstwhile fans.

The Redskins have been losing for so long now, it seems to me that raw emotion has overcome reason.

And this tiresome thread marches on until a new coach is named.