Who is Kirk Cousins?

[JoeRedskin]

Did not see the game. Saw the stats and the win. Looks like another very good game by KC ... on the road.

He has definitely improved as the season has progressed. "Bad Kirk," the guy who threw multiple picks and lost composure, seems to have mostly gone away. His good games are really good and his bad games are not that terrible. He is certainly good enough to win playoff games with if he has a good team around him and a good game plan.

He is better than I gave him credit for at the beginning of the season.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Did not see the game. Saw the stats and the win. Looks like another very good game by KC ... on the road.



He has definitely improved as the season has progressed. "Bad Kirk," the guy who threw multiple picks and lost composure, seems to have mostly gone away. His good games are really good and his bad games are not that terrible. He is certainly good enough to win playoff games with if he has a good team around him and a good game plan.



He is better than I gave him credit for at the beginning of the season.

Ahhhh...my new sig! Lol

[Schneed10]

Updated QBR rankings after week 14. Still solid.

RK PLAYER TOTAL QBR
1 Carson Palmer, ARI 83.6
2 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 78.1
3 Andy Dalton, CIN 73.1
4 Russell Wilson, SEA 72.5
5 Drew Brees, NO 70.2
6 Aaron Rodgers, GB 69.4
7 Ryan Fitzpatrick, NYJ 68.2
8 Tyrod Taylor, BUF 67.1
9 Tom Brady, NE 64.9
10 Cam Newton, CAR 64.9
11 Brian Hoyer, HOU 63.8
12 Marcus Mariota, TEN 63.1
13 Teddy Bridgewater, MIN 62.9
14 Eli Manning, NYG 62.4
15 Jameis Winston, TB 62.2
16 Jay Cutler, CHI 62
17 Kirk Cousins, WSH 61.4
18 Alex Smith, KC 60.7
19 Philip Rivers, SD 59.5
20 Matt Ryan, ATL 58.9
21 Matt Hasselbeck, IND 56.3
22 Matthew Stafford, DET 55.8
23 Derek Carr, OAK 55.7
24 Josh McCown, CLE 53.9
25 Blake Bortles, JAX 49.8
26 Andrew Luck, IND 47.6
27 Colin Kaepernick, SF 47.1
28 Peyton Manning, DEN 45
29 Joe Flacco, BAL 40.9
30 Sam Bradford, PHI 38.3
31 Ryan Tannehill, MIA 34
32 Nick Foles, STL 30

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Updated QBR rankings after week 14. Still solid.

RK PLAYER TOTAL QBR
1 Carson Palmer, ARI 83.6
2 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 78.1
3 Andy Dalton, CIN 73.1
4 Russell Wilson, SEA 72.5
5 Drew Brees, NO 70.2
6 Aaron Rodgers, GB 69.4
7 Ryan Fitzpatrick, NYJ 68.2
8 Tyrod Taylor, BUF 67.1
9 Tom Brady, NE 64.9
10 Cam Newton, CAR 64.9
11 Brian Hoyer, HOU 63.8
12 Marcus Mariota, TEN 63.1
13 Teddy Bridgewater, MIN 62.9
14 Eli Manning, NYG 62.4
15 Jameis Winston, TB 62.2
16 Jay Cutler, CHI 62
17 Kirk Cousins, WSH 61.4
18 Alex Smith, KC 60.7
19 Philip Rivers, SD 59.5
20 Matt Ryan, ATL 58.9
21 Matt Hasselbeck, IND 56.3
22 Matthew Stafford, DET 55.8
23 Derek Carr, OAK 55.7
24 Josh McCown, CLE 53.9
25 Blake Bortles, JAX 49.8
26 Andrew Luck, IND 47.6
27 Colin Kaepernick, SF 47.1
28 Peyton Manning, DEN 45
29 Joe Flacco, BAL 40.9
30 Sam Bradford, PHI 38.3
31 Ryan Tannehill, MIA 34
32 Nick Foles, STL 30

A lot stands out...first Brees still performing at a very high level. Second, 2 of the most underappreciated QB in the league over the last 10 years 1 and 2. 3, Mariota and Winston the Rooks are playing well. And lastly, the bullshit of Russell Wilson not being a great passer is over. Higher QBR than Brady and Rodgers. I've never understood the Wilson haters.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

A lot stands out...first Brees still performing at a very high level. Second, 2 of the most underappreciated QB in the league over the last 10 years 1 and 2. 3, Mariota and Winston the Rooks are playing well. And lastly, the bullshit of Russell Wilson not being a great passer is over. Higher QBR than Brady and Rodgers. I've never understood the Wilson haters.

So have you finally changed your opinion of Kirk?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So have you finally changed your opinion of Kirk?

I still have questions, but I think his performances the second half of the season has shown obvious growth...not forcing the ball, going through progressions.

You know on the interception yesterday I rather him simply not see a guy with that throw than see the guy and force the throw. His worst throw was the jump ball...if that is intercepted, he woulda had 2 picks and probably woulda lost the game. Lotta folks on here, including myself would be in full bitch mode. I still have questions...

His Oline in pass protection have done a great job for him this year and his receivers...while limited...have made plays for him as well. One thing, and this is on Jay and McVay as well as Alfmo and the blocking...but the running game is still limited. Cousins really hasn't had that to lean on consistently.

I think you give him a limited contract...you don't break the bank. I don't see Cousins as a problem on this team.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Updated QBR rankings after week 14. Still solid.

RK PLAYER TOTAL QBR
1 Carson Palmer, ARI 83.6
2 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 78.1
3 Andy Dalton, CIN 73.1
4 Russell Wilson, SEA 72.5
5 Drew Brees, NO 70.2
6 Aaron Rodgers, GB 69.4
7 Ryan Fitzpatrick, NYJ 68.2
8 Tyrod Taylor, BUF 67.1
9 Tom Brady, NE 64.9
10 Cam Newton, CAR 64.9
11 Brian Hoyer, HOU 63.8
12 Marcus Mariota, TEN 63.1
13 Teddy Bridgewater, MIN 62.9
14 Eli Manning, NYG 62.4
15 Jameis Winston, TB 62.2
16 Jay Cutler, CHI 62
17 Kirk Cousins, WSH 61.4
18 Alex Smith, KC 60.7
19 Philip Rivers, SD 59.5
20 Matt Ryan, ATL 58.9
21 Matt Hasselbeck, IND 56.3
22 Matthew Stafford, DET 55.8
23 Derek Carr, OAK 55.7
24 Josh McCown, CLE 53.9
25 Blake Bortles, JAX 49.8
26 Andrew Luck, IND 47.6
27 Colin Kaepernick, SF 47.1
28 Peyton Manning, DEN 45
29 Joe Flacco, BAL 40.9
30 Sam Bradford, PHI 38.3
31 Ryan Tannehill, MIA 34
32 Nick Foles, STL 30

Never been a huge fan of QBR:

ESPN’s QBR stat puts Tebow ahead of Rodgers | ProFootballTalk

QBR is "black box", nobody knows what's inside but everyone is expected to follow it.

I prefer Football Outsiders DVOA and DYAR.

Just personal preference though.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Never been a huge fan of QBR:

ESPN’s QBR stat puts Tebow ahead of Rodgers | ProFootballTalk

QBR is "black box", nobody knows what's inside but everyone is expected to follow it.

I prefer Football Outsiders DVOA and DYAR.

Just personal preference though.

Nobody follows it besides espn.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Never been a huge fan of QBR:

ESPN’s QBR stat puts Tebow ahead of Rodgers | ProFootballTalk

QBR is "black box", nobody knows what's inside but everyone is expected to follow it.

I prefer Football Outsiders DVOA and DYAR.

Just personal preference though.

Black box if you can't understand basic statistics and weighted averages. It's not that complicated.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Black box if you can't understand basic statistics and weighted averages. It's not that complicated.

There is a subjective "clutch" component to QBR. Subjectivity isn't statistics.

Somebody, somewhere decides how clutch a play is. Is a 60 yard TD pass in the first quarter less clutch than a 60 yard TD pass in the 4th quarter? Without the TD in the 1st, would the TD in the 4th be garbage time? NOBODY KNOWS!!!

Again, it's personal preference. I don't like it. I don't think it is the best metric to judge NFL QBs by.

If you can explain how the final number is achieved, I think you would be one of 4 people on the planet who could.

Gonna stick with Black Box.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Never been a huge fan of QBR:

ESPN’s QBR stat puts Tebow ahead of Rodgers | ProFootballTalk

QBR is "black box", nobody knows what's inside but everyone is expected to follow it.

I prefer Football Outsiders DVOA and DYAR.

Just personal preference though.

By the way bro, you just linked to a Mike Florio piece, he the shining beacon of statistical thinking.

You might as well have asked what Kim Kardashian thinks of the Syrian conflict.

[BaltimoreSkins]

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1132854]By the way bro, you just linked to a Mike Florio piece, he the shining beacon of statistical thinking.

You might as well have asked what Kim Kardashian thinks of the Syrian conflict.[/QUOTE]

If she is giving me a one on one synopsis I would be okay with that.

[HailGreen28]

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1132862]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

By the way bro, you just linked to a Mike Florio piece, he the shining beacon of statistical thinking.

You might as well have asked what Kim Kardashian thinks of the Syrian conflict.[/QUOTE]

If she is giving me a one on one synopsis I would be okay with that.

the only thing you would pick up in a one on one with her, you would probably need a penicillin shot or something.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

By the way bro, you just linked to a Mike Florio piece, he the shining beacon of statistical thinking.

You might as well have asked what Kim Kardashian thinks of the Syrian conflict.

Love the Kardashian reference. Can't get more Ad Hominem than that! Kudos.

The purpose of the link was to show the flawed QBR analysis based on the stats of the Packers and Broncos game.

I don't care for Florio either, but the box scores from the two games are solid.

ESPN’s QBR stat puts Tebow ahead of Rodgers | ProFootballTalk

If your comfortable with a metric that rates Tebow (4 of 10 passing for 79 yards) better than Rodgers (26 of 39 passing for 369 yards) in those two games, it's fine with me.

I used the stat line as an example of why I think QBR sucks.

Again, just personal preference.

[Schneed10]

Notable that there's very little difference between 10th place and 20th place in the QBR rankings (which makes sense, it's a bell-curve based statistic).

Very safe to conclude that Kirk is an average NFL QB at this point in his career. Let's see what he does when all the chips are down over the next few weeks, then we'll have the big question in front of us: how much do we invest in an average QB with prime years remaining ahead of him?

Bengals got rewarded for investing in Andy Dalton...