When is Enough ,Enough?

[mooby]

One more thing. I thought this was an interesting angle on the incoming capital gains tax rewrite that Trump is sure to put out within the next couple months.

Cred, most of this goes over my head, but the gist of it seems to be "if the basis is adjusted for inflation, the 1% stand to save a lot of money when they sell property".

Can I get your thoughts on this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/esist/comme...t_billions_of/

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

One more thing. I thought this was an interesting angle on the incoming capital gains tax rewrite that Trump is sure to put out within the next couple months.

Cred, most of this goes over my head, but the gist of it seems to be "if the basis is adjusted for inflation, the 1% stand to save a lot of money when they sell property".

Can I get your thoughts on this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/esist/comme...t_billions_of/

I read it. I doubt it passes through the way it's proposed in the reddit. I still put it on the Congress to do their job, which is to write the laws that are not graft or pure money grabs. The spin that Trump personally stands to gain is as true as the spin that any small business could gain from that as well. I know the company I work for owns the building we use, and have for the last 20 years. I imagine the owner, who is wealthy but not Trump or Gates wealthy, would benefit from that change, which because of who he is I think it would see all of us employees benefit.

The other thing is that I think most governmental accounting at this point ties everything to inflation, so the idea isn't outside of government norms. (I don't know how much governmental accounting is tied to inflation, and that could be a wrong statement)

[MTK]

We should be listening to the science. Call it fear mongering, but shit could be getting real sooner rather than later, and once it does there's no going back.

Planet at Risk of Heading Towards Apocalyptic, Irreversible ‘Hothouse Earth’ State

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

We should be listening to the science. Call it fear mongering, but shit could be getting real sooner rather than later, and once it does there's no going back.

Planet at Risk of Heading Towards Apocalyptic, Irreversible ‘Hothouse Earth’ State

From your article

Cutting carbon emissions to limit climate change to 2 degrees C, as proposed in the Paris climate agreement, won’t be enough to avoid a “Hothouse Earth,” said co-author Johan Rockström, executive director of Stockholm Resilience Centre.

The reality is that global temperatures aren’t driven by human emissions of carbon alone, says Rockström—natural systems such as forests and oceans also play a major role.

A lot of this is already happening without leadership from national governments. Individuals, communities, and companies understand these are the things we need to do and we are starting to limit our impacts on the Earth, Richardson told Motherboard.

I can agree with "SCIENCE" and still say that invasive government regulations are not the way to achieve anything, even in global climate change debates.

But liberals, in my opinion, must demonize their opponents and portray their way as the only way, because their policies when enacted have repeatedly and consistently failed to achieve most of their supposed goals.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

From your article






I can agree with "SCIENCE" and still say that invasive government regulations are not the way to achieve anything, even in global climate change debates.

But liberals, in my opinion, must demonize their opponents and portray their way as the only way, because their policies when enacted have repeatedly and consistently failed to achieve most of their supposed goals.

I don't know, I tend to like the idea of protecting and preserving national parklands, stopping illegal dumping into our oceans and rivers, reducing air pollution, and protecting endangered species, to name a few. I'd say policies enacted for all of the above are important and have achieved something.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don't know, I tend to like the idea of protecting and preserving national parklands, stopping illegal dumping into our oceans and rivers, reducing air pollution, and protecting endangered species, to name a few. I'd say policies enacted for all of the above are important and have achieved something.

you didn't highlight the word invasive.

It's like the old joke, would a lady have sex with me for $1 million, she says sure. What about $20, she says what am i a whore??

I think, a super majority of us citizens would agree that all those things are important, the difference comes down to where the line ought to be drawn. But often instead of rational debate, it becomes a - you want to destroy the earth and all that is within it narrative.

NO ONE WANTS TO DESTROY THE WORLD (except the guy from GI Joe Retaliation)

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

you didn't highlight the word invasive.

It's like the old joke, would a lady have sex with me for $1 million, she says sure. What about $20, she says what am i a whore??

I think, a super majority of us citizens would agree that all those things are important, the difference comes down to where the line ought to be drawn. But often instead of rational debate, it becomes a - you want to destroy the earth and all that is within it narrative.

NO ONE WANTS TO DESTROY THE WORLD (except the guy from GI Joe Retaliation)

I don't think any living person wants to destroy the world. However if you're a person or a business whose profit is held back by an environmental regulation, no matter how good it is, you'd definitely like to see that regulation removed so you can make more money.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

We should be listening to the science. Call it fear mongering, but shit could be getting real sooner rather than later, and once it does there's no going back.

Planet at Risk of Heading Towards Apocalyptic, Irreversible ‘Hothouse Earth’ State

MTK , I agree with you but the trump cult will never admit defeat on any issue no matter how many people die becuase of it.

[dmek25]

and thats exactly what should have happened with obama care. the GOP trashed it for around 6-8 years. when the time came, they had no alternative. now they are slowly stripping it of its guts. why didnt it just get amended? leave the good, and replace the bad? seems like they just want to erase obama from history? i long for the days when govt worked for we, the people. instead of party first. and both sides are guilty of that

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by dmek25

and thats exactly what should have happened with obama care. the GOP trashed it for around 6-8 years. when the time came, they had no alternative. now they are slowly stripping it of its guts. why didnt it just get amended? leave the good, and replace the bad? seems like they just want to erase obama from history? i long for the days when govt worked for we, the people. instead of party first. and both sides are guilty of that

I agree.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by dmek25

and thats exactly what should have happened with obama care. the GOP trashed it for around 6-8 years. when the time came, they had no alternative. now they are slowly stripping it of its guts. why didnt it just get amended? leave the good, and replace the bad? seems like they just want to erase obama from history? i long for the days when govt worked for we, the people. instead of party first. and both sides are guilty of that

I really expected the Republicans to repeal it, put some other system in place that was still out of whack, and then finally both sides to come together to find a rational plan. Instead, the Republicans were too weak kneed to put the legislation out that their supporters wanted, and now we have this boondoggle where both sides blame the other - which gets votes, but doesn't make things better. It's sad.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by dmek25

and thats exactly what should have happened with obama care. the GOP trashed it for around 6-8 years. when the time came, they had no alternative. now they are slowly stripping it of its guts. why didnt it just get amended? leave the good, and replace the bad? seems like they just want to erase obama from history? i long for the days when govt worked for we, the people. instead of party first. and both sides are guilty of that

This , +1

[CRedskinsRule]

Gallup

[Giantone]

I am sure these people are happy..............



https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/t...223207045.html

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Gallup

Love how the trumpetts only use polls that they think will help them (and they don't)