Obama Care

[SBXVII]

All I can say is if people wanted "free health care" then they should have moved to Canada. Why people and the Gov. thinks this is such a good option is beyond me, especially with so many Canadians taking vacations to America simply to get their health care needs met. Oh Canadians will tell you its not a bad system for small stuff like the common cold but god forbid you need surgery, your better off having Keiser.

[over the mountain]

you guys do know that people on welfare (under 21k or something like that) and old people already have free health care.

this would only cover the people who make more than the welfare income limits but not enough money to allocate $300 a month to health insurance . . . .this basically just covers hard working people who dont make alot of money.

[GMScud]

News from The Associated Press

[12thMan]

Good link, GM. This was a good move. But I wonder what will actually be left for SCOTUS to strike down, if they strike down anything at all?

Seems like Obama is finally getting the politics of how all of this going down. First they fast track the legislation to the Supreme Court, then he pulls the plug on a major part of the law. I say whatever can be done to make it better and less expensive for the taxpayer, I'm all for it.

[12thMan]

The Long Term Care Market is really a very different animal when it comes to insurance. Basically you have five carriers running the show: New York Life, Mass Mutual, Met Life, Northwestern Mutual, (NYL and NM are one and two), and Guardian.

But even a few of the big five are starting to jump ship and get out of the long-term care business because it's such a tough market to sustain profitability over time. So there's no way the government, with no brokers or agents pushing it's product, could compete with the major insurance carriers and their marketing machines.

Guardian to Leave LTC Insurance Market | LifeHealthPro

[12thMan]

This move was interesting on a few levels. CLASS represented 40% of the overall $210 billion in savings of deficit reduction over the next 10 yrs. Basically you do the math and the numbers change significantly. I wonder if CBO has to re-score the bill and projected savings.

Republicans are planning on having a hearing in the near future to see what took the White House so long to scrap the program. I'm very interested myself to hear the answer to that one.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

This move was interesting on a few levels. CLASS represented 40% of the overall $210 billion in savings of deficit reduction over the next 10 yrs. Basically you do the math and the numbers change significantly. I wonder if CBO has to re-score the bill and projected savings.

Republicans are planning on having a hearing in the near future to see what took the White House so long to scrap the program. I'm very interested myself to hear the answer to that one.

The answer is that this bill, with his name attached no less, is generally a pretty crappy bill that got rammed through without enough work and input from all sides (blame game tonight at 11) leading to it being received rather negatively by a majority of the electorate. The ensuing battle over its future coincided with a relatively crappy economic year in which the POTUS has and is currently taking it in the pants popularity-wise. So dismantling parts of his signature bill probably seemed unwise politically until he basically had no choice. I know you know this but I thought maybe I'd save the tax payers some money since apparently the republicans don't already understand it. Otherwise why the hell would they waste the time and money to investigate something that is so obvious? They are equal dunces. If not more.

[firstdown]

So now we have to pick up the tab for a womens birth control and Obama says the insurance companys cannot charge for this coverage. So everyone will pay the bill. I said the same thing about covering Viagra but we wonder why health ins is so F^cking expensive. He is just out buying the womens vote with the timing of this and the women in the military thing he just approved. Next is the black and latino votes he will try to buy.

NBC Politics - Obama revamps contraceptive policy

[dmek25]

no need for him to do that. no one on the other side has a snow balls chance of getting that vote

[12thMan]

Who the hell is "we"? This coverage is no different than the plan 28 states currently provide to their employees prior to this law.

Who is "we"?

[That Guy]

know what's more expensive than birth control? babies that nobody wants. This is only for women working for religious employers that do not believe/cover birth control. Seems like a pretty small set, but if you've got numbers proving otherwise, please do share.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

know what's more expensive than birth control? babies that nobody wants. This is only for women working for religious employers that do not believe/cover birth control. Seems like a pretty small set, but if you've got numbers proving otherwise, please do share.

They want to be afforded the choice of denying choice....how ironic.

[12thMan]

The cost to provide contraception is revenue neutral, that's why there's no outrage from the insurance companies over the compromise. And as it's been pointed out, it costs significantly more to cover a pregancy.

It's a win win. Religious groups don't have to enforce a rule that goes against, according to them biblical teachings, and women aren't denyed coverage.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

The cost to provide contraception is revenue neutral, that's why there's no outrage from the insurance companies over the compromise. And as it's been pointed out, it costs significantly more to cover a pregancy.

It's a win win. Religious groups don't have to enforce a rule that goes against, according to them biblical teachings, and women aren't denyed coverage.

Are we really arguing about birth control in 2012? This sort of crap makes you really hate organized religion. If they want to roll with this sort of nonsense we should take away their tax breaks. Fck'em.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

Are we really arguing about birth control in 2012? This sort of crap makes you really hate organized religion. If they want to roll with this sort of nonsense we should take away their tax breaks. Fck'em.

Essentially, the same arguments over Church v. State we have been having since Henry II asked the infamous question "Who shall rid me of this meddlesome priest"?

Some slough it off as an anachronistic religion - and I agree with the statement that it is this shit that makes religion seem like unicorns and flying pigs - BUT, the underlying question of when can the State regulate beliefs is ultimately a thorny problem and no simple answer exists. As I said of Henry II, the extent that secular regulations may intrude on religious belief is an old question faced by free societies and will not be going away anytime soon.