Campbell's numbers dont lie

[GTripp0012]

The only guys on the SB list who were actually drafted into a bad situation were Aikman and Manning, but they were both systematic highly drafted rebuilding pieces. Even there, a plan was in place. Right now, the Redskins are directionless, which makes the quarterback discussion sort of moot.

[GTripp0012]

Anyone who wants to criticize Campbell should use the Carson Palmer comparison, since Palmer has played with great offenses and crappy offenses since taking over as the Bengals starter in 2004. Palmer didn't always play well as the offense of that 2005 season began to fall apart, and frankly, after he missed 2008 with injury, people started to doubt his franchise quarterback-ness.

This year, he's back to being one of the ten most valuable quarterbacks in football.

The other part of the comparison is that if the Bengals were the Redskins, they might have cut or traded him after last season.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Anyone who wants to criticize Campbell should use the Carson Palmer comparison, since Palmer has played with great offenses and crappy offenses since taking over as the Bengals starter in 2004. Palmer didn't always play well as the offense of that 2005 season began to fall apart, and frankly, after he missed 2008 with injury, people started to doubt his franchise quarterback-ness.

This year, he's back to being one of the ten most valuable quarterbacks in football.

The other part of the comparison is that if the Bengals were the Redskins, they might have cut or traded him after last season.

The logic is quickly slipping from your posts. When not playing well, Palmer still had 4,000 yard/25 td seasons. Those who buried him after last year are the same mindless pundits who predict that the same teams will reach the playoffs as made it the year before (i.e. those with a very shallow historical memory). I realize that you are not necessarily comparing Campbell to Palmer, but just watch the tape. Watch Palmer's footwork, release, and willingness to make stick throws (he made one to Ochocinco on Sunday that was particularly impressive ... he is a "wow" thrower). You are just grasping now, you're better than that. Campbell played well at times on Sunday, but continues to frustrate by leaving so many plays on the field (Moss and Yoder plays the most obvious on Sunday, but emblematic of Campbell's struggles). We now know who he is as a player. I would not be against bringing him back if he is restricted, but I think that is probably unlikely.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

The logic is quickly slipping from your posts. When not playing well, Palmer still had 4,000 yard/25 td seasons. Those who buried him after last year are the same mindless pundits who predict that the same teams will reach the playoffs as made it the year before (i.e. those with a very shallow historical memory). I realize that you are not necessarily comparing Campbell to Palmer, but just watch the tape. Watch Palmer's footwork, release, and willingness to make stick throws (he made one to Ochocinco on Sunday that was particularly impressive ... he is a "wow" thrower). You are just grasping now, you're better than that. Campbell played well at times on Sunday, but continues to frustrate by leaving so many plays on the field (Moss and Yoder plays the most obvious on Sunday, but emblematic of Campbell's struggles). We now know who he is as a player. I would not be against bringing him back if he is restricted, but I think that is probably unlikely.

Thank you, JC is not on the same planet as Carson P.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Anyone who wants to criticize Campbell should use the Carson Palmer comparison, since Palmer has played with great offenses and crappy offenses since taking over as the Bengals starter in 2004. Palmer didn't always play well as the offense of that 2005 season began to fall apart, and frankly, after he missed 2008 with injury, people started to doubt his franchise quarterback-ness.

This year, he's back to being one of the ten most valuable quarterbacks in football.

The other part of the comparison is that if the Bengals were the Redskins, they might have cut or traded him after last season.

Carson Palmer is a very good QB and no offense to JC, but JC is not in his league. You can't compare the two.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Carson Palmer is a very good QB and no offense to JC, but JC is not in his league. You can't compare the two.

Anyone who knows anything about football knows this. Stats are just like politicians.....they never tell the truth.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Anyone who knows anything about football knows this. Stats are just like politicians.....they never tell the truth.

Unless they do. Also like politicians.

Basically, you're saying, "if they disagree with what I think, then it's the evidence that's wrong, not me". Not surprising.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Unless they do. Also like politicians.

Basically, you're saying, "if they disagree with what I think, then it's the evidence that's wrong, not me". Not surprising.

I like them too...but they lie. lol.

[mlmdub130]

campbell still is the same qb he has allways been, he is an average qb, and he could win with the right situation around him. what i see week in and week out is a qb who can manage a game and nothing more, i would love nothing more than to see it all finally click and have him start making all of his passes instead of skipping some on the ground, over throwing others, and not seeing wide open receivers on, just don't think that will happen, he has too many things to over come this far into his career

[skinsfaninok]

OK I have been a little harsh to say the least on Jason Campbell, during the past offseason when we were "Secretly" shopping around for Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez, I was all for it. In fact I was down and out when we didn't get either one of those guys. I dogged JC all Preseason and Everygame this season.. But now that half of this season is over I have looked back at all 3 QB's STATS, Jason has a better Passer rating than both and has way less INT's than both. Jason has only 4 less td passes than Cutler and has 1 more than Sanchez. Even with a HORRIBLE and INJURED Oline, and a young recieveing core, (outside of Moss.) So I must Give props to JC because god know's I have trashed him so much this season, I know he won't be here next yr and I don't think he's a Legit starter in this league anyway, but still he has earned my props..

[dgw090767]

Thank God that there is some one out there who can still think for themselves and see what is true. I've ben saying all season that he's better than what people are giving him credit for. Is JC the best QB in the league, NO! Is JC the worst QB in the leageue, NO! The ignorant fans will miss what they had once it's gone.

[DCtoAZ]

so who thinks he'll be back ... this is a big week if you can have won at 3-6 .. sure would be nice to snag a win in bid D with JC leading the show .

Hail Betts !!

[redskinfan401]

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

so who thinks he'll be back ... this is a big week if you can have won at 3-6 .. sure would be nice to snag a win in bid D with JC leading the show .

Hail Betts !!

If the CBA gets signed, I don't think he'll be back. They'll either draft a new QB or sign a veteran like Garcia. However, if it's an uncapped year, JC will be an RFA and only able to negotiate with the Skins. Then I wouldn't be too surprised to see a 1-2 year deal so the team could focus on Oline in the draft.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

OK I have been a little harsh to say the least on Jason Campbell, during the past offseason when we were "Secretly" shopping around for Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez, I was all for it. In fact I was down and out when we didn't get either one of those guys. I dogged JC all Preseason and Everygame this season.. But now that half of this season is over I have looked back at all 3 QB's STATS, Jason has a better Passer rating than both and has way less INT's than both. Jason has only 4 less td passes than Cutler and has 1 more than Sanchez. Even with a HORRIBLE and INJURED Oline, and a young recieveing core, (outside of Moss.) So I must Give props to JC because god know's I have trashed him so much this season, I know he won't be here next yr and I don't think he's a Legit starter in this league anyway, but still he has earned my props..

I still dont see how ppl are comparing a 3 yr starter to a rookie. I think its funny that the main excuse we hear for JC is thrown out the window in regards to comparing him to Cutler. -new offense- hell not only is cutler in a new offense but he is on a new team so its alot to get used to. Lets bring this up again next season with the same 3 and see how they match up with the situation being more comparable.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I still dont see how ppl are comparing a 3 yr starter to a rookie. I think its funny that the main excuse we hear for JC is thrown out the window in regards to comparing him to Cutler. -new offense- hell not only is cutler in a new offense but he is on a new team so its alot to get used to. Lets bring this up again next season with the same 3 and see how they match up with the situation being more comparable.

Its no comparision, to say we expected JC to play better that a rookie, god I hope so. I guess when you set the bar so low....3-6 record with a QB with a rating of middle of the pack is excellent some how???...please give me a break with these pointless arguements of how JC is an average QB and how we have horrible corners at this moment of a team hitting bottom....ITS A TEAM