Campbell's numbers dont lie

[SmootSmack]

Y'all need to learn how to use the quote feature, because this is confusing as heck to follow.

Anyhow, the best thing for the Redskins is for Campbell to take control of the QB position and lead this team because then it's one less position for us to worry about. And we can focus on OL and RB.

But after 5 years, I expect more from Campbell at this point. He's a first round draft pick that we gave up a lot for. Is it his fault we did that? No, but we did and because of that he has to live up to certain expectations. Fair or not.

At some point, you have to stop looking at gradual progressions in various stat lines and just ask yourself "Do you trust Jason Campbell to carry the team on his back and lead them to victories?" I'm not there yet, and I think by now I should be.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

At some point, you have to stop looking at gradual progressions in various stat lines and just ask yourself "Do you trust Jason Campbell to carry the team on his back and lead them to victories?" I'm not there yet, and I think by now I should be.

Inevitably though, the answer to this question is somewhere between "yes" and "could anyone?"

It's a poor phrasing of a larger question we are no closer to answering than we were a year ago. I have all the trust in the world that if theres a game that can be won by a single quality drive at the end of the game, Jason Campbell can get us there, but it's not like our games ever come down to one offensive drive in the final four minutes.

And it's a big reason that people are so (relatively) inconclusive on Campbell. He's gone a long time here without ever having a signature moment, but all of our games seem to be decided by turnover margin, offensive line play, and whether the defense shows up. We're never in a situation where the quarterback needs to score and punting is not an option. Carolina ran out the final five minutes on us in our close game, Collins was inexplicably floundering around the next week, and every other opponent has been up comfortably in the fourth quarter on us. Including Detroit, somehow.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Y'all need to learn how to use the quote feature, because this is confusing as heck to follow.

Anyhow, the best thing for the Redskins is for Campbell to take control of the QB position and lead this team because then it's one less position for us to worry about. And we can focus on OL and RB.

But after 5 years, I expect more from Campbell at this point. He's a first round draft pick that we gave up a lot for. Is it his fault we did that? No, but we did and because of that he has to live up to certain expectations. Fair or not.

At some point, you have to stop looking at gradual progressions in various stat lines and just ask yourself "Do you trust Jason Campbell to carry the team on his back and lead them to victories?" I'm not there yet, and I think by now I should be.

Thats basically what it all comes down to and when you watch games like the one vs Denver and he is either missing or over throwing open wr's it makes you wonder if he can turn it on in a must score situation. This is the NFL, you arent going to have many blown coverages by the defense or 5yds of separation between your wr and the db on every play but when those scenerios do present themselves you must make those plays and from what we have seen i cant say id feel too confident in a 2 minute situation with JC under Center.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

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Thats basically what it all comes down to and when you watch games like the one vs Denver and he is either missing or over throwing open wr's it makes you wonder if he can turn it on in a must score situation. This is the NFL, you arent going to have many blown coverages by the defense or 5yds of separation between your wr and the db on every play but when those scenerios do present themselves you must make those plays and from what we have seen i cant say id feel too confident in a 2 minute situation with JC under Center.

Campbell's accuracy has been spotty since the beginning of October, and I agree that NFL passers have to be accurate. When the accuracy numbers come in at the end of the year, it wouldn't shock me to see Campbell in the 16-20 range, below a lot of passers he was more accurate than last season.

I'd say that's the single biggest reason that our offense is not converting in situations that it did last year: Campbell's missing open receivers too often.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd say that's the single biggest reason that our offense is not converting in situations that it did last year: Campbell's missing open receivers too often.

I often agree with Tripp.

But i don't know about this one.

I would put the onus on the OL and the suspect playcalling.
I don't think JC misses any more then other QBs, but the other QBs have a greater margin for error because the have better overall teams.

I've watched too many NFC east football games to say that JC misses more open receivers then Eli, Romo or McNabb.

HTTR!

I think we're gonna get a chance to make a good assessment of JC now that it appears the OL is coming together and there is competent playcalling (except when Zorn steals a call here and there).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Y'all need to learn how to use the quote feature, because this is confusing as heck to follow.

Anyhow, the best thing for the Redskins is for Campbell to take control of the QB position and lead this team because then it's one less position for us to worry about. And we can focus on OL and RB.

But after 5 years, I expect more from Campbell at this point. He's a first round draft pick that we gave up a lot for. Is it his fault we did that? No, but we did and because of that he has to live up to certain expectations. Fair or not.

At some point, you have to stop looking at gradual progressions in various stat lines and just ask yourself "Do you trust Jason Campbell to carry the team on his back and lead them to victories?" I'm not there yet, and I think by now I should be.

That's pretty easy. No. He can't carry us on his back cause he's not good enough.

[T.O.Killa]

Sidney Rice is leading the league in recieving yards. Who the hell is he. I have said for years that a quarterback is the most important factor in recieving yards. Where ever Bret Farve goes he makes superstar recievers. Just check out this year as opposed to last year.
Sidney Rice

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Sidney Rice is leading the league in recieving yards. Who the hell is he. I have said for years that a quarterback is the most important factor in recieving yards. Where ever Bret Farve goes he makes superstar recievers. Just check out this year as opposed to last year.
Sidney Rice

Yeah....their (Vikings) running back is very mediocre.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Yeah....their (Vikings) running back is very mediocre.

Not sure I understand this response.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Not sure I understand this response.

Probably that Peterson has something to do with reciever getting more space. thought he was there last year and Rice had nobody to throw to him. Farve definately is the factore here.

[GridIron26]

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[GMScud]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Sidney Rice is leading the league in recieving yards. Who the hell is he. I have said for years that a quarterback is the most important factor in recieving yards. Where ever Bret Farve goes he makes superstar recievers. Just check out this year as opposed to last year.
Sidney Rice

Actually Sidney Rice is 4th in receiving yards, and he was a first round draft pick I believe, so it's not shocking that he's producing in his third year. But yeah, having Favre certainly helps.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Actually Sidney Rice is 4th in receiving yards, and he was a first round draft pick I believe, so it's not shocking that he's producing in his third year. But yeah, having Favre certainly helps.

he was a second

[doughtydoubter]

in qbs there are the "win" factor. The ability to be just arrogant enough to believe that you can take your team down the field despite double coverage, being behind, bad weather or blocking, amd just win it. I just dont see that in JC

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

in qbs there are the "win" factor. The ability to be just arrogant enough to believe that you can take your team down the field despite double coverage, being behind, bad weather or blocking, amd just win it. I just dont see that in JC

There's also the accuracy issue. You don't see those types of QB's throwing the ball behind their receiver's very often, you don't see them over throwing them very often like JC does. I like JC and think he might be better with a better O-line but facts are facts. Watch the games, he simply throws too high and the receivers have to try and go up and get it. He throws constantly behind receivers and it's blatently obvious with Cooley.

The Favre's, Brees's, River's, Mannings (both) don't throw behind their receivers very often they usually lead them with a pass.