Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Now who's being sarcastic?

Truth hurts.. Iv'e said it before. Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500. That's the type of fan base we have here in Redskins Nation. He was doomed from the start, and never had a chance. Since the day he was hired people were making threads about

"Why not Bill Cowher?"
"Should of got Gruden"

etc
etc

I know everyone can't be happy, and Shanahan said it best in today's presser, and I qoute..

"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."

That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.

People talk like 2.5 years is a long time to turn a franchise around. Those same people are the SAME ones who wanted Gabbert, and the media included call the coaches/front office last year while Rex/Beck lost many games. Now, we are a young team with still below average depth who is injury riddled and most of Redskins Nation blames Shanahan for that too. Like he was walking around smashing players with hammers to put them on the IR.

People compare to other franchises, and don't realize that every franchise goes a different direction, plays different teams, and picks different players. We are not Green Bay, and we may NEVER be Green Bay or the Giants. Our franchise is not in the shape that those were when they suffered injuries.

The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now. The man didn't LIE to anyone.. He didn't promise wins since day one. He didn't come in to the office and promise us Super Bowls in 2.5 years. He said he needed 5 years, and when we brought him in to bring in HIS system, and his style of coaching then we allowed him and said we UNDERSTOOD what state this team is in, and now as fans we are shitting and pissing in his face while not supporting him because you can't accept and handle the losses that have to come before the wins.

I'm giving the man his 5 years... I accepted his word that it would take that long at least.

I am so tired of people bringing excuses that Mike Shanahan says to use in his defense.

If anything, he is making the haters point for him. He is blaming everyone else, and buying more time (5 years, again, bullshit). He is almost like Obama, who keeps blaming Bush. Enough already, and do something for yourself, or please crawl away somewhere with your non accountable ass.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Bucket

I'm not saying praise the man. Everyone wants him on the chopping block when the man was nothing but honest.

Can you actually say that our team wouldn't be doing better with at least 1-2 or our players on the field? I guess we will find out against the Eagles.

I know Shanahan doesn't give two shits about what we say, but the other realistic fans here do. No, i'm not including you.

Wow Bucket, never figured you for a finger pointer nanee nanee boo boo name caller. Nice to know. It's also nice to know that if you are content with continual failure and a sub par product, you are now labeled as being "realistic"

I for one would like to keep my "Unrealistic" banner, wave it from high on the mountain, and hope and pray that my team becomes relevant again.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Well said bro. Typical Redskins fan wants us to bring in another coach every 3 years like it's going to fix this culture. The culture is we don't keep HC long enough to truly change this shit show. Just like this country we go into a recession and we think 4 years later after the shit show it would be smelling like roses. Just saying stay the course it will get better if we have faith in SHANNY to fix this.

I agree; it's important that the organization does not react like rash fans. Thing is, under Shanahan, the team may or it may not get better; three years is enough so that a coach should be showing improvement. And in other organizations, it would be time to call it quits on the coach and move on. But creating a stable organizational culture is more important right now than an attempt to find the perfect coach. Other changes can be made; replace Haslett, tweak the roster without losing the character guys, and let Shanahan have his five years. That way the Skins can continue to attempt to improve without risking stability. After five years, FO can make the change (if it's needed) and bring in someone new.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Yeah, that's exactly what this organization needs.. Listen to you crazies again. Reason why this team is in the boat it is now is because you were the poison that would pay so much for tickets to see Albert Haynesworth and Jason Taylor in Redskin Uniforms.

Thats right, its the fans fault.
Lets ged rid of the fans.
Then we can make this a My Little Pony forum instead of football.

[That Guy]

punch, why is it so important that you have every other post in this thread?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500.

Most fans here, including the ones in this thread that support letting Shanny go, aren't expecting the "Indy 500", but in 3 1/2 years with a supportive owner you should be at least in the middle of the pack with a clear path on what needs to be done to get to the front within a year or two. Right now we've got RG3, a bunch of "player evaluations", no discipline/accountability from anyone, and a 6-10 record at best.

"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."

Didn't see the presser, but if this is what Shanny said, another reason to dump this clown at the end of the season. He sounds like my 19 yr. old when he's done something @ss stupid, then makes excuses for his stupidity.

Man the F up, the guy is getting paid $ 7M / yr.

That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.

Then why do teams like the Pats, Steelers, Giants, reload and not rebuild? They have bright folks running the organization who empower smart hard-working guys to do their homework and then they listen to them. They also have great coaching staffs. How is Indy 5-3, is Luck that much better than RG3 (no)? Tampa is playing well, Vikes too. The 49ers were a wreck before Harbaugh, now they're one of the league's best.

The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now.

No, hiring decisions by Snyder (outside of Gibbs 2.0) are the reason we are where we are. Some his fault (keeping Vinny too long, Zorn in over his head), this one with Shanny not his fault. Shanny just isn't getting it done.

Let me ask you this, what do you see (other than RG3) that gives you hope MS will have the franchise on the right track by the end of next year?

[GTripp0012]

As far as the offense goes, Brian Kelly/Chuck Martin at Notre Dame are teaching a 19 year old kid to master the back shoulder/front shoulder option nine route that Eli Manning has gotten so good at throwing. And yet, this is too much for RG3 to handle? Nonsense.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

As far as the offense goes, Brian Kelly/Chuck Martin at Notre Dame are teaching a 19 year old kid to master the back shoulder/front shoulder option nine route that Eli Manning has gotten so good at throwing. And yet, this is too much for RG3 to handle? Nonsense.

Great point.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by That Guy

punch, why is it so important that you have every other post in this thread?

You know what man. I ignored your comment over in your tv thread. It was Funny! Ok. Funny! I went into that thread thinking it was about Shanny. I was confused. I pointed that out and left it alone. So dont call me a troll. Dont tell me " way to keep it classy".
Also now your panties are in a bunch because i have posted alot in this thread. Ill tell you what man - instead of letting me consume your every thought and acting like you know what kind of person i am - an classless attention whore- i guess. Instead just ****ing ignore me so I dont feel like your stalking my posts just to make some stupid remark.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

As far as the offense goes, Brian Kelly/Chuck Martin at Notre Dame are teaching a 19 year old kid to master the back shoulder/front shoulder option nine route that Eli Manning has gotten so good at throwing. And yet, this is too much for RG3 to handle? Nonsense.

unrelated, but don't you think your sig is kinda out dated?

as for your question, has somebody specifically said that RG3 can't handle that? or are you basing it on us not using it, because that could be on the WR's, or the OC just doesn't use it in the game plan. Either one could be an issue obviously, but your question implies that someone came out and said that Griffin isn't learning it quick enough.

[CRedskinsRule]

Another clarification:

I have seen in this thread people quoting all sorts of times for MS' tenure here. He has had 2 1/2 years of games:
1st season - regular, no distractions - 16 games
2nd season - lockout, no real off-season -16 games
3rd season (1/2 done) - ref lockout, 18 million deduction to this year's cap - 9 games

it's not 3 1/2 years, nor 3 full seasons. Let's see where this one ends, and (for me) - next year's moves. I expect that if we do stay the course we will see many good things (the defensive backups that stay will provide solid depth, returning starters will provide solid play, new FS/SS/CB will have to prove themselves, etc) but then kool-aid always makes the vision clearer.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Another clarification:

I have seen in this thread people quoting all sorts of times for MS' tenure here. He has had 2 1/2 years of games:
1st season - regular, no distractions - 16 games
2nd season - lockout, no real off-season -16 games
3rd season (1/2 done) - ref lockout, 18 million deduction to this year's cap - 9 games

it's not 3 1/2 years, nor 3 full seasons. Let's see where this one ends, and (for me) - next year's moves. I expect that if we do stay the course we will see many good things (the defensive backups that stay will provide solid depth, returning starters will provide solid play, new FS/SS/CB will have to prove themselves, etc) but then kool-aid always makes the vision clearer.

good call, it just feels like 3 1/2 yrs. already.

and 18M deduction this yr. and next was due to cap penalties incurred in 2010 season and done under MS's watch.

[skinsfaninok]

anyone know where to find the Hoodie Mike had on Sunday?

[donofriose]

First three seasons
Shanahan: 14-27 (thus far) -almost lost twice as many games as he has won.
Sean Payton: 25-23 (4th year super bowl champions)
Gary Kubiak: 22-26 (4th year goes 9-7 one game out of playoffs, showed improvement every year)
John Harbaugh: 32-16
Jim Harbaugh: 19-5 (only one season and a half and has 5 more wins than Shanahan)
Belichick: 25-23 (won a superbowl in second year and two more)
Coughlin: Giants 25-23 (won superbowl next year) Jaguars 24-24 (makes playoffs two next seasons)
Mike Smith: 33-15 (has only missed playoffs one year)

What exactly has Shanahan done to keep his job? He went 6-10 then 5-11 and it looks like we will be lucky to go 4-12. So every season we loose one more game. Coaches that take over bad teams show improvement over three years. Every one of these coaches took over teams that just fired there coaches and they turned them around. Why can't Shanahan turn this team around? He has a terrible record compared to other good coaches in the league. Maybe this team can turn it around next year and make the playoffs. But right now I would actually be a little happy if we fired him at the end of this season. RG3 is a pocket passer and a roll out passer stop calling dumb run plays with him. We have a solid Oline outside of RT and good running back, run with him let RG3 be a quarterback. Did they not watch him at Baylor? He destroys you with the pass but can run when he has to. Obviously compared to other coaches in the NFL, Shanahan is outdated, out coached and he simply has not shown improvement even with what looks like a franchise quarterback.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

anyone know where to find the Hoodie Mike had on Sunday?

In the trash. It's bad luck.