Campbell's numbers dont lie

[44 70 chip]

I take it the "JC has good stats" people aren't very interested in discussing the strength of the opponents he compiled the stats against, or the simple observations of JC's poor fundamentals...

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 44 70 chip

I take it the "JC has good stats" people aren't very interested in discussing the strength of the opponents he compiled the stats against, or the simple observations of JC's poor fundamentals...

His stats over the last 3 years have been progressively improving. Your comment is much like, the "JC Haters not wanting to recognize his obvious strengths".

With JC you have a qb who has inherent flaws, but enough positives to have given him a shot. For the question, is he the qb next year. I say put a 2nd round tender on him - which is an acknowledgment he did not live up to expectations or potential - and if no one takes it bring him back for training camp, cut Collins and have an open competition in camp. Let someone else take the job from him.

[mlmdub130]

i really don't understand how anyone can say he is a great qb, or anyone that can say he is a terrible qb, imo there is no way to justify either of those comments.

bottom line he is a great game managing qb, he can come in and not lose you a game, and as of right now he is the best option we have and i think he will most likly be the best option next year, atleast in the begining

but like you said it needs to be an open competition where no ones job is safe

[SmootSmack]

I would have much rather seen Campbell go deep into the end zone and possibly get intercepted at the end of the Lions game than the little flare to Betts (or whoever) that we saw. If that makes Campbell a bad QB so what.

But anyway, not even all INTs are the same. An INT returned for a TD is significantly more important than a INT with a 14 point lead and no time left on the clock. Intercepting the ball on 4th and 4 is probably worth less than just letting the ball drop and so on.

[44 70 chip]

My argument is that his statistics so far this season shouldn't be used to support a pro-campbell argument that flies in the face of reality (i.e. that he's played great football because his QB rating is good despite looking awful in games against bad teams).

I won't disagree with anyone that wants to backtrack into a "hey there are worse QB's than JC" stance. I'm interested in debating the merits of those stats that supposedly "don't lie" that are repeatedly being used in this thread to "put down" people who are unhappy with JC's play.

Are you really going to stand by the idea that he has improved from last year to this year based on statistics that were compiled against the weakest half of a season schedule in the history of the NFL?

[dgw090767]

Originally Posted by Green1

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

Me personally I'm not a stats person, but I'm a results person. I could care less about good stats or bad stats. My question is did you get a W.

When we look at overall results and we determine they're not good then we need to look at stats and try to determine if the stats reinforce the outcome of the bad results. In other words does JC's stats indicate that he holds a major responsibility in the bad 3-6 results we have.

If you do an honest assesment the answer is NO! JC is a good QB and will be a good QB in the future. JC is not the single reason the Skins are loosing games. JC is not the best QB in the league, but he's deffinitely not the worst.

The fans that claim he sucks won't realize what we have until he's gone. These are the same fans that think Cutler the other JC was the answer. Talk about a guy with no leadership, he never won anything in his football career. At least JC lead his high school and college teams to championships, but you all want Cultler.

[44 70 chip]

Originally Posted by dgw090767

Me personally I'm not a stats person, but I'm a results person.

I think either way is wrong :^) I'm an "actual play" person his actual play has been timid overall, full of fundamental mistakes in techinque, with inconsistent, flashes of elevated play (some of which uncannilly seem to happen late in games that are already out of hand). While still exhibiting mistakes that we all know he's been coached repeatedly on. So it appears he may very well carry these bad fundamentals through his whole career.

The key thing is not for the Skins to pull JC because he's not 'mediocre' enough on a consistent basis, it's to start planing on who to replace him with because he's not 'franchise' enough. There are plenty of middling game managers who can play consistently unspectacular football. Hell one of them is backing up JC every game, and at times has looked better than Campbell. We didn't trade up to draft a mediocre game manager in the first round, and at this point he's not even at that level (consistently). Fair or not JC will be judged on that basis, as a top draft pick who needs to be a franchise QB to be considered successful here... Holding him to a whole other (lower) standard and then saying his stats don't lie, seems to be the product of fans who are maybe too emotionally invested in Campbell and can't see the reality, or perhaps don't have access to the games to actually see his play.

[SC Skins Fan]

Best game Campbell has played this year by far. Numbers might not say that, but he played well today, especially considering the pressure.

[Skins fan 44]

After today I say he stay another year. Question is do we bring in someone else or do we keep Brennan close by to be a possibility to be a starter. But man do we need to improve or O line.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Best game Campbell has played this year by far. Numbers might not say that, but he played well today, especially considering the pressure.

yes sir i agree

[skinsfan69]

He played well but when it really counted and when it was clutch time he throws across his body what into what looked like double coverage instead of tucking it down and running. As Gibbs said...." it comes down to whether or not a guy can drive you down the field when the game is one the line and win it for you". I just knew that we were not going to get into FG position...I knew it.

[44 70 chip]

Wow talk about lowered expectations...

I guess by the generous yardstick being used here yes, he didn't take as many unecessary sacks, he didn't fumble any center exchanges, he didn't get the ball stripped running around with it at his hip in one hand, he only threw 1 int versus no TD's and he actually made a play with his feet that was impressive rather than scary or disapointing...

So if we're all okay with a nearly decent not quite mediocre QB performance then yes he's obviously the QB of the future.

[htownskinfan]

I have not been a JC supporter as of late,I was sure I wanted him gone next season.But I have to say I think hes played well the past 3 games.His descisions and plays he made with his feet have impressed me.I'm torn,I was so sure I wanted him gone,now im thinking well maybe hes not that bad.Oh well,6 more games to evaluate him.

[SmootSmack]

Thank goodness he's not a lefty. Becuase Heyer protecting his blind side would be hellacious. Heyer was getting blown up all day long.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Thank goodness he's not a lefty. Becuase Heyer protecting his blind side would be hellacious. Heyer was getting blown up all day long.

Yeah he was either getting tossed around like a rag doll or he was committing false starts. Talk about a guy I'm fed up with. All I know is he sure as hell better not be back as a starter next year.