2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Really?
Clinton said something negative towards the GOP?
Well gee whillikers, if he said so it must be true.

Are there any studies out there that say voter fraud actually occurs in any significant amount to need IDs?

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

People died for the right vote in this country and Republicans are trying make it hard for regular American citizens to exercise their civic duty and Constitutional right.

Clinton says NH GOP trying to keep college students from voting - POLITICO.com

Kind of funny you say that.

Going back to the Bush/Gore election. In Fla. one of the cases brought to the Fla supreme court was whether people in the military would be allowed to vote from out of state. There is a problem with some countries not using postmarks. Fla law says that out of state votes had to be "Postmarked" before a certain date. Even though the dates were written on the envelopes when they were received, and they were received well in advance, the dems still went after those votes claiming them to be illegal votes, due to no postmark. They knew those votes were legitimate but tried to suppress them anyways... and actually won the case (Overturned later).

So you want to claim that people have died for this country and then complain about normal peoples votes being suppressed. How about you douches trying to kill the votes of the ones who are actually willing to die to give you that right. For some reason, that wont bother you if a vote for a republican is not allowed.

The massively hypocritical part is that all the libs in Fla were carrying around signs that said "Every Vote Must Count". Yet when it was announced that every vote would not count (You know, those people who were willing to die to give you certain freedoms), libs were waving those signs in the victory dance.

Stop using the military and them dying for your rights as your reasoning for you being allowed to vote then claiming they dont deserve the right to vote as well.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

People died for the right vote in this country and Republicans are trying make it hard for regular American citizens to exercise their civic duty and Constitutional right.

Clinton says NH GOP trying to keep college students from voting - POLITICO.com

Signing a piece of paper (residency declaration) is quite cumbersome for a college student....:frusty:

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Give me a link. All I've seen is a photo ID is needed.

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/voter/voteridlaw.shtml

So no SSN card or bills. Poor people and seniors may not have car access to a DMV or the money to pay to get there.

Originally Posted by hooskins

Voter fraud doesn't exist. Period.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content...of_voter_fraud

These facts are too real to counter? Come on folks, give me some legit retorts.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Signing a piece of paper (residency declaration) is quite cumbersome for a college student....:frusty:

I doubt it is but even you have to admit that it creates an undue burden given the insufficient time to educate voters, especially young voters. All these laws wouldn't be as much of an issue if Republicans hadn't enacted/tightened these laws so close to the election. It's quite obvious to any rational person what Republicans care about most is helping Romney win and not helping voters vote or protecting the sanctity voting.


Take this guy for example...How blatant and stupid is this guy?

[Dirtbag59]

[RedskinRat]

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NDAA

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[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Are there any studies out there that say voter fraud actually occurs in any significant amount to need IDs?

I really dont care about any needledick studies.
Because there are so many illegals in this country I'm a firm believer in a national ID.
And just because some egghead hasnt done a "study", it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
I'm not that naive.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I really dont care about any needledick studies.
Because there are so many illegals in this country I'm a firm believer in a national ID.
And just because some egghead hasnt done a "study", it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
I'm not that naive.

i'd trade everyone on wall street for all the illegals in america any day.
hard working people paying taxes vs people playing fantasy football w our economy

that was a huge generalization, but i'm only speaking from my personal experience. anyways, here in ca, they're trying to trick illegals into legally obtaining driver's licenses

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I really dont care about any needledick studies.
Because there are so many illegals in this country I'm a firm believer in a national ID.
And just because some egghead hasnt done a "study", it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
I'm not that naive.

Haha wow. You aren't "that naive" but naive enough to use your own generalizations and paranoia, which again there are no facts to substantiate, to come to conclusions? Brilliant. Curse and use talking points when quantitative facts are presented.

My point, from my previous post, is proven.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

I doubt it is but even you have to admit that it creates an undue burden given the insufficient time to educate voters, especially young voters. All these laws wouldn't be as much of an issue if Republicans hadn't enacted/tightened these laws so close to the election. It's quite obvious to any rational person what Republicans care about most is helping Romney win and not helping voters vote or protecting the sanctity voting.

I haven't done any research to know when the voter ID laws were put in place, but with the time our legislative/legal system take to work things through it would impact an election at some point. Like to PA injunction for this election, I wouldn't have a problem holding off on the NH law until after this election.

Turzai comment = agree, dumbass.

[Chico23231]

Mitt come out swinging hard

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Haha wow. You aren't "that naive" but naive enough to use your own generalizations and paranoia, which again there are no facts to substantiate, to come to conclusions? Brilliant. Curse and use talking points when quantitative facts are presented.

My point, from my previous post, is proven.

You haven't proven anything other than that you can post links.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Mitt come out swinging hard

It all starts with the power tie. I expected a royal blue or light blue from Romney.....glad to see the power tie and Romney swinging. Win or lose, go down making your case forcefully to the American people.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by hooskins

These facts are too real to counter? Come on folks, give me some legit retorts.

The too poor or no access to get to DMV....c'mon man. Anyone who wants to vote and is truly in that situation could simply call the local Dem or GOP office and someone would make a beeline to help them register.

ACORN voter fraud was documented and extensive.

More Acorn Voter Fraud Comes to Light - WSJ.com

Other examples:

Victims of Voter Fraud: Poor and Disadvantaged are Most Likely to Have Their Vote Stolen

Voter fraud certainly does exist.