Campbell's numbers dont lie

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Buster

To be fair, that game WAS won by us in regulation. Even without Suisham's choke, the refs completely stole the victory from us. Tough to blame Campbell or anyone on the team aside from Suisham for the loss...our team DID win the game in reality, but apparently the league wanted the Saints to remain undefeated.

I must have missed that game.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I must have missed that game.

Lucky you, it would've taken some time off the end of your life.

Read over the gameday thread if you don't believe me.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I must have missed that game.

You and me both

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

To be fair, that game WAS won by us in regulation. Even without Suisham's choke, the refs completely stole the victory from us. Tough to blame Campbell or anyone on the team aside from Suisham for the loss...our team DID win the game in reality, but apparently the league wanted the Saints to remain undefeated.

I'm not blaming the refs. Nor am I blaming JC. He played very well against a beat up secondary. He should've played well yesterday!!! All I'm saying is when the game really needs to be won he needs to take over. On that last drive he needed to take us down the field and win the game. Instead he threw a horrible INT. But let's not blame the refs. We all know they're terrible and most of the time it evens out.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not blaming the refs. Nor am I blaming JC. He played very well against a beat up secondary. He should've played well yesterday!!! All I'm saying is when the game really needs to be won he needs to take over. On that last drive he needed to take us down the field and win the game. Instead he threw a horrible INT. But let's not blame the refs. We all know they're terrible and most of the time it evens out.

Actually it seems that is DOESN'T even out for us...we are constantly getting hosed.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

JC played very well until the game was really on the line. He had some outstanding stick throws yesterday. But again he had a chance to drive us down the field and win the game. Brees delivered, JC didn't. Until he does he's just going to be a middle of the pack QB. He needs to be able to take over when we need him the most. So far he hasn't done it.

Yeah, that's the way I'm looking at it too. Campbell is the kind of QB who will have a great game every once in awhile. But he won't do it consistently, week after week.

That said, there's still a part of me that wants him to come back, (due mainly to the fact that the free agent QBs on the market next year all suck) and see if one more season of putting the pieces in place around him can propel him to the next level. Maybe we've got some of those pieces coming together with Thomas, Davis and Kelly.

[SmootSmack]

Chris Meidt should be credited then, because Campbell has referred to him as his QB coach and the guy who has worked most closely with him.

[CRedskinsRule]

Because I like how Campbell has developed, and how he handled the off-season garbage, I really wanted him to excel this year. I think he shows a lot in the games. BUT, then he goes and throws an INT when we need a drive, not only to win, but maybe give Suisham a chance to redeem himself. That is the frustrating thing. Is it Campbell's fault we lost, not in the least. But did he step up to the plate in the last 2 minutes, game on the line time? No, he did not. I wish he had.

[MonkFan4Life]

You know being one of Jason's biggest critics here I must say first as I did in the game thread yesterday that he played on hell of a game. During Regulation I saw some other guy playing because that wasn't the Jason Campbell I knew. Didn't get rattled at the sight of a blitzing defender. Made quick sound decisions with the football and by god the man found his deep ball. DID YOU HEAR ME PEOPLE? HE FOUND HIS DEEP BALL !!!!

It was simply a beautiful performance by him and I agree that since Sherm Lewis/Smith have been the main playcallers that his team as well as the teams performance has improved greatly.

A game like this is tough for me to judge him on because while he had a great game when the money was on the line he reverted to the guy that I bash. His footwork was off, he rushed his throw, and the result was a pick. Not all his fault; but had he drove them to a score I wouldn't have given credit to anyone else but him. I still think he should go because he's had his chance IMO and I think that it has been a fair one at that. We can scream on the line and not having receivers that are proven but I call Bullshit on that one because he has had enough to entrench himself as "The Guy" here. Also, if he had shown himself to be the guy to anyone else in the league then we would've been raped for this baller QB for a discounted price. He's still here so I guess we pretty much know what the deal is. His numbers didn't lie when it comes to the game yesterday because if I'm going to place blame on anyone for that loss it would be Carlos' stop and go parter Laron.

Is he playing like this because there is no pressure on him ? Don't know, had I never read him saying that the pressure is off and now we can go play then I wouldn't feel that's the case. He did play a good game though, actually I'd say hella good !

[30gut]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Is he playing like this because there is no pressure on him ? Don't know, had I never read him saying that the pressure is off and now we can go play then I wouldn't feel that's the case. He did play a good game though, actually I'd say hella good !

What a difference pass protection makes.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by 30gut

What a difference pass protection makes.

I'm not talking about defensive pressure. I'm talking about the pressure of winning every game. Because once you're out of the playoff hunt there's no pressure to perform.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

I'm not talking about defensive pressure. I'm talking about the pressure of winning every game. Because once you're out of the playoff hunt there's no pressure to perform.

You don't think the actual on the field pass protection has anything to do with JC performance? Even more then some perceived pressure to perform?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Even Patrick Ramsey had 300 yard games every now and then. I'd like to see some consistency from him before jumping on the Campbell bandwagon. If a new CBA isnt reached before the march deadline, slapping a RFA tag on him and keeping him another year is a no-brainer - no matter who our HC is or what offense we're running. On the flip side, if a new CBA is reached, and campbell becomes a FA, its probably worth tagging him. he'll be the top FA QB available in a very weak QB market - someone will trade a 2nd rounder for him.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Even Patrick Ramsey had 300 yard games every now and then. I'd like to see some consistency from him before jumping on the Campbell bandwagon. If a new CBA isnt reached before the march deadline, slapping a RFA tag on him and keeping him another year is a no-brainer - no matter who our HC is or what offense we're running. On the flip side, if a new CBA is reached, and campbell becomes a FA, its probably worth tagging him. he'll be the top FA QB available in a very weak QB market - someone will trade a 2nd rounder for him.

yeah, we still have 4 games to go and id like to see how things play out and if JC's improved play is something real that can built upon or if hes just getting hot for a few games.

he played great against the saints, all things considered, but we lost and when we had a chance to take it down the field to win the game JC threw an int.

against the boys we lost 7-6, again we had a chance to go down field and win the game but we didnt.

i would def put a tender on JC thoo, no mater what happens for the rest of the season. that way we can draft a top end OT (not a qb), kept JC and worry about finding a franchise QB next year or so when (hopefully) we can afford and be in position to use resources to draft/acquire that missing franchise piece.

go skins!!

[44 70 chip]

his recent play has definitely been significantly better, certainly more so than the goofy stats based "view point" this thread was originally based on.

I think the major concern should be the timing of his improved performance, and the fact that he's still failing and looking like his old hesitant self. Especially late in games; where a sustained drive for a TD wins either or both of the last few games.

He seems to play better when the game is either out of reach or there's less pressure (like now that the season is out of reach...) Once the game is on the line though.... Well lets put it this way did anyone feel like it would be Campbell and not Romo throwing a late game winning touchdown? I mean before Romo was the one who threw it? It was even more obvious when it was Brees or Campbell who had to win the game... EVERYONE saw that coming. Even before the missed kick, there was already a rank odor of "ut oh, here we go again" after that interception Campbell threw.

In a game where a last minute TD drive to go ahead is the holy grail of QB play Jason Campbell is not even living up to his mediocre stats by doing it a mediocre amount of the time...

I know there are fans who like him and want him to succeed because he's a nice guy but If a kicker makes the vast majority of his field goals but misses the ones that matter most, he's gone... How is this any different from a QB who looks okay most of the time but never puts together drives when it matters most?