Brunell Reworks Deal (FKA "Brunell Reluctant to Renegotiate Deal")

MTK · 03-01-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Well now, isn't this interesting

Bah he's still a roid ragin' bitch

SmootSmack · 03-01-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Anyone know how much space we saved?

I'm wondering the same thing

Twilbert07 · 03-01-2006, 05:12 PM

Whether anyone thinks Brunell faded at the end of last season, and whether they think he should be our starter next season, you have to give him credit for being a good team player and a good man.

That Guy · 03-01-2006, 05:15 PM

if its a restructure (base salary -> bonus and not giving money back) every 500k only saves 200k in cap space. his vet min has to be close to a million, so he could give up to 3mill back and save about a max of 1.2mill for this year, though i doubt its that high.

without a new cba, thats up to 3 starters.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

if its a restructure (base salary -> bonus and not giving money back) every 500k only saves 200k in cap space. his vet min has to be close to a million, so he could give up to 3mill back and save about a max of 1.2mill for this year, though i doubt its that high.

without a new cba, thats up to 3 starters.

Brunell's base salary this year is $4 million. If he coverted $3 million into a signing bonus, wouldn't that save us $1.5 million in cap space?

RedskinPete · 03-01-2006, 05:22 PM

I Just read it on Redskins.com!!! I will say I am sorry for saying anything bad about him in this post!!! He said that he has alway been about the team!!! We the leader has shown the way let the rest fallow! THANKS MARK!!!!

That Guy · 03-01-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Brunell's base salary this year is $4 million. If he coverted $3 million into a signing bonus, wouldn't that save us $1.5 million in cap space?

no (i gave an example in a post the cap threads).

here's how a rework (salary -> bonus) has to work.

he gives back 500k in 2006, and to comply with the 30% rule, that means he'd have to give back 650k in 2007. that means 1.15million bonus which can only prorate over 4 years. 1.15mill / 4 = 287.5k a year in bonus. 500k - 287.5 = 212.5k actual savings, or about 40% of what he reworks.

the 30% and extra base salary you're forced to turn into bonus (from 2007) makes restructuring much less useful now than in previous years.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

no (i gave an example in a post the cap threads).

here's how a rework (salary -> bonus) has to work.

he gives back 500k in 2006, and to comply with the 30% rule, that means he'd have to give back 650k in 2007. that means 1.15million bonus which can only prorate over 4 years. 1.15mill / 4 = 287.5k a year in bonus. 500k - 287.5 = 212.5k actual savings, or about 40% of what he gives up.

the 30% and extra base salary you're forced to turn into bonus (from 2007) makes restructuring much less useful now than in previous years.

Yup, forgot to account for the 30% rule. Duh. Thanks.

That Guy · 03-01-2006, 05:24 PM

other people have stepped up and helped rework contracts on the skins, no one has said who or how much yet (espn update on 980).

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

other people have stepped up and helped rework contracts on the skins, no one has said who or how much yet (espn update on 980).

It's gotta be either Thomas, Washington, or Jansen ... right? At least, those guys are the prime candidates for restructuring.

I figure we'll be able to squeeze roughly $3 million out of restructured deals. Is that what you get?

Schneed10 · 03-01-2006, 05:27 PM

I can't believe you guys are apologizing. All you did was assume that what you were reading in the local newspaper, which supposedly has a very good reputation, was accurate.

Can I just say, one more time, MOTHER F*CK the Washington Post. Every time I turn around they're writing something that is not only wrong, but disparaging.

To Mark Brunell, we should have never doubted you. It's the media we should be doubting. Jesus Christ. They're not kidding when they tell you that you shouldn't believe everything you read!

PS Rant over. This is great news. Hooray for team players, hooray for character. Hooray for Mark Brunell, and hooray for Joe Gibbs bringing him here.

CrazyCanuck · 03-01-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

he gives back 500k in 2006, and to comply with the 30% rule, that means he'd have to give back 650k in 2007. that means 1.15million bonus which can only prorate over 4 years. 1.15mill / 4 = 287.5k a year in bonus. 500k - 287.5 = 212.5k actual savings, or about 40% of what he reworks.

the 30% and extra base salary you're forced to turn into bonus (from 2007) makes restructuring much less useful now than in previous years.

This is a good analysis factoring in the 30% rule. I'm still crunching thru the numbers to see if we can get additional savings without violating the 30% rule. A $212K savings is so minimal. Gotta be a way to milk a little bit more.

Without the 30% rule we could probably turn that $200K savings into $2M.

That Guy · 03-01-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

It's gotta be either Thomas, Washington, or Jansen ... right? At least, those guys are the prime candidates for restructuring.

I figure we'll be able to squeeze roughly $3 million out of restructured deals. Is that what you get?

yeah unless gibbs really talk the religion in them.

there's a max of about 8.5mill from restructures available, i doubt we get all of it, but everyone who lasts through 2006 without a new cba is guaranteed lots of money.

8.5 from top 3 base salaries (brunell thomas and jansen). no one else has over 1.5mill base.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I can't believe you guys are apologizing. All you did was assume that what you were reading in the local newspaper, which supposedly has a very good reputation, was accurate.

I apologized mainly so people wouldn't label me as a Brunell-hater. Plus, he deserves some props.

As to the Washington Post, I agree - they are starting to suck. They don't give us any news for weeks and then they come out with that trash. Ridiculous. Maybe they've contracted out the reporting work to profootballtalk.com.

That Guy · 03-01-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

This is a good analysis factoring in the 30% rule. I'm still crunching thru the numbers to see if we can get additional savings without violating the 30% rule. A $212K savings is so minimal. Gotta be a way to milk a little bit more.

Without the 30% rule we could probably turn that $200K savings into $2M.

they could actually give millions back and save a whole lot... how many players have done that the last 4 years though? maybe 3?

03-01-2006, 05:12 PM	#93
Twilbert07 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 60 Posts: 594	Re: Brunell Reluctant to Renegotiate Deal Whether anyone thinks Brunell faded at the end of last season, and whether they think he should be our starter next season, you have to give him credit for being a good team player and a good man. __________________ a Skins fan every day, every way.

03-01-2006, 05:15 PM	#94
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Brunell Reworks Deal (FKA "Brunell Reluctant to Renegotiate Deal") if its a restructure (base salary -> bonus and not giving money back) every 500k only saves 200k in cap space. his vet min has to be close to a million, so he could give up to 3mill back and save about a max of 1.2mill for this year, though i doubt its that high. without a new cba, thats up to 3 starters.

03-01-2006, 05:22 PM	#96
RedskinPete The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Camino,Ca Posts: 1,174	Re: Brunell Reworks Deal (FKA "Brunell Reluctant to Renegotiate Deal") I Just read it on Redskins.com!!! I will say I am sorry for saying anything bad about him in this post!!! He said that he has alway been about the team!!! We the leader has shown the way let the rest fallow! THANKS MARK!!!!

03-01-2006, 05:24 PM	#99
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Brunell Reworks Deal (FKA "Brunell Reluctant to Renegotiate Deal") other people have stepped up and helped rework contracts on the skins, no one has said who or how much yet (espn update on 980).

03-01-2006, 05:27 PM	#101
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,427	Re: Brunell Reworks Deal (FKA "Brunell Reluctant to Renegotiate Deal") I can't believe you guys are apologizing. All you did was assume that what you were reading in the local newspaper, which supposedly has a very good reputation, was accurate. Can I just say, one more time, MOTHER FCK the Washington Post. Every time I turn around they're writing something that is not only wrong, but disparaging. To Mark Brunell, we should have never doubted you. It's the media we should be doubting. Jesus Christ. They're not kidding when they tell you that you shouldn't believe everything you read! PS Rant over. This is great news. Hooray for team players, hooray for character. Hooray for Mark Brunell, and hooray for Joe Gibbs bringing him here. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.*

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