The Moves We Should Make Next Year (merged)

[chris36]

Hey, That Guy, I don't know who will start at DE. But, I can tell you unless Wynn will play for about what they will give up, by cutting him, he's gone. He is not worth 4 million a year. Maybe Demetric Evans and Carter will start, or maybe Joe Skykes, or maybe our first round pick, or maybe a walk on free agent. I also said that Daniels was not a shoe in.

Who ever is making our draft choices and walk on free agents, has done a good job. Just look at Bailey, Smoot, Peirce, and Clark

What I ment about Pierce and Clark, was that they we both walk on free agents, that our scouts invited to camp.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I'm not a fan of the business, and the top ranking revenue - I'm a fan of building a winner with staying power. I can't believe some of you feel Snyder is a genius skirting the cap every year. We carry more dead cap money than any team in the league. It's Gibbs attitude as well. I thought he'd bring roster stability upon his return, but he hasn't been able to retain core Redskins (Pierce, Smoot, Clark) because we have over-leveraged our cap every year. Teams like Philly and New England stay way under the cap to allow them to re-sign their core players as they APPROACH free agency. Both have done this brilliantly, and since they do so before their players hit the open market, they can usually retain their own at a significant discount. Tom Brady is Exhibit A - making significantly less than Peyton Manning. That doesn't mean they keep everyone, but they have the price they're willing to pay, and they're in a position to make a solid offer before their key guys are free agents. The Redskins NEVER have enough cap room to sign a guy like Pierce to an extension during the season, so we end up competing on the open market, and as history has demonstrated, we usually lose out. It burns me that we let go of self-made Redskins like Pierce and Clark, then pay a lot more for guys like Archuleta and Carter. The only year under Snyder that the Redskins have shown restraint was the lone year that Schottenheimer was in charge.

Just the latest example of intelligent cap management by Philly to retain the team's core: ESPN.com - NFL - Eagles DT Patterson inks seven-year, $32M extension

Patterson joins guard Shawn Andrews, cornerbacks Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown and other top draft choices in recent years to receive extensions before their rookie contracts expire. But the Patterson deal was one of the earliest, coming in the middle of his second year.

Andy Reid is making a calculated gamble that Patterson and others will develop into solid players that would have commanded far more money if allowed to bid their services as free agents.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

First things first we should sign Brunell to a contract extension with about 40 million signing bonus. Sign Vinny to a long term contract too. Make sure we always wear white on white uniforms. Make sure any players that are productive for the skins we let them go in FA. Then we can sign other peoples FA to about 13 million signing bonuses this year that should be the going rate over last year 10 million. Trade all of our draft picks to make sure we can get some of those undervalued FA that the other teams dont appricate like Danny does and the Gibbster would. Also hopefully we can sign some more coaches this off season we still dont have one player to a coach yet and make sure the coaches get their titles of Assiant Head Coach and about 3 million dollars too. If we draft make sure the players are from the U to make sure Portis and the rest of the U players are happy. Charge 30 dollars for parking next year. Hail to the skins.

[shallyshal]

GONE.....
offense
brunell, betts (they won't pay him starter's salary, someone will), duckett (unless they get him signed in the next few games), patten, thrash, dockery (the same template will be followed.. they want him, he is a core redskin..ooops, someone pays him too much for us to match and ..bye-bye),
fauria, yoder (has he done anything ??), collins (only if campbell gets enough games to get a read on his long term abilities... and see my later comment on coaches).... jansen ???? he really needs to prove he is not too old for the position...

special teams
hall, frost (a couple of shanks too many over the remainder of the season)

defense
wynn, daniels, salavea, holdman, wright, rumph, vincent (really shows his age later this year), springs (salary is insane and unless he redoes his deal, say goodbye)

coaches
saunders (by mutual decision), gray, blache (if ron rivera gets a head coaching slot, blache will move to the bears as def coord)
williams ??? might happen if fisher has had enough and leaves tennessee. williams makes more sense under those circumstances. if he goes, then blache gets elevated to def coordinator if he wants the position

offseason needs
corners of all types (clements, draft pick, reserve types)
safety..(if PP does not come back whole)
def end ( 1st round pick? trade down 1st rounder for extra first day picks.. plus at least 1 free agent)
reserve LB through draft or free agency
starting guard (steinbach ? manawai??)..tackle if jansen is through and wade cannot man the position
back up qb if collins goes when saunders goes.. real question is whether gibbs messes with campbell's head the same way he messed with ramsey.. if so plummer, simms, leftwich could get a serious look.. gibbs always likes to have maturity on the bench. plus, a true #3 to develop via the draft or college free agency..
punter
reserve runner if duckett and betts both leave

get the impression there will be wholesale changes ? bet on it if this team finishes under .500 and misses the playoffs.. there is no reason to stand pat with a team that is ageing along both lines and watched the defense flounder all year...if that happens, expect a tumultuous off season...

[SmootSmack]

Shallyshal the problem with your predictions is that Blache is already the defensive coordinator here. So he won't be going anywhere else just to be a d-coordinator

[vaoutlaws2006]

the priority in the offseason should be to find a general manager.

[marius]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

GONE.....
get the impression there will be wholesale changes ? bet on it if this team finishes under .500 and misses the playoffs.. there is no reason to stand pat with a team that is ageing along both lines and watched the defense flounder all year...if that happens, expect a tumultuous off season...

Tumultuous? So much the same as any other skins offseason then?

Perhaps now that Freeney can't buy a sack we'll throw the GDP of a small country at him for a 10 year contract!!!

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Shallyshal the problem with your predictions is that Blache is already the defensive coordinator here. So he won't be going anywhere else just to be a d-coordinator

nothing that snyder cannot fix with more money and a fancier title, if he stays..

and there is no reason why blache could not go to chicago as a true def coordinator and leader of the defense. as long as GW is here, he will always be under someone. if he were to go elsewhere, he might have the same title as def coordinator but he would not be under someone like GW..

one way or the other, i expect further significant changes in both the roster and coaches after this season..

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

nothing that snyder cannot fix with more money and a fancier title, if he stays..

and there is no reason why blache could not go to chicago as a true def coordinator and leader of the defense. as long as GW is here, he will always be under someone. if he were to go elsewhere, he might have the same title as def coordinator but he would not be under someone like GW..

one way or the other, i expect further significant changes in both the roster and coaches after this season..

Yeah I guess maybe you missed my point. By the rules of the league he can't go somewhere else (assuming he's under contract which I believe he is) as "Defensive Coordinator" it has to be something more.

If anything, he'll go somewhere to be a head coach. And frankly, I think he deserves the chance. Also, why would he go back to Chicago to be defensive coordinator when he left there after 5 years of being the defensive coordinator?

[MTK]

I agree about Blache. His next stop will likely be as a HC somewhere.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree about Blache. His next stop will likely be as a HC somewhere.

There's just a question as to when exactly that will be. If the defense keeps playing like it has, he's not going anywhere.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by chris36

Hey, That Guy, I don't know who will start at DE. But, I can tell you unless Wynn will play for about what they will give up, by cutting him, he's gone. He is not worth 4 million a year. Maybe Demetric Evans and Carter will start, or maybe Joe Skykes, or maybe our first round pick, or maybe a walk on free agent. I also said that Daniels was not a shoe in.




What I ment about Pierce and Clark, was that they we both walk on free agents, that our scouts invited to camp.

why the hell would you dump someone just to dump them without a viable replacement? joe sykes? he's not even NFL backup quality right now, so why would anyone think he could start?

everyone seemed to think wynn would be gone this year cause of his cap number, but i figured he'd be a shoe-in for the roster (after passing first cut), because he can play. his salary is twice what it should be, but unless there's a very specific reason to dump him, he'll probably be back. You don't just downgrade your roster without a reason, and i don't believe we'd be over cap with other cuts that should be made.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

GONE.....
offense
brunell, betts (they won't pay him starter's salary, someone will), duckett (unless they get him signed in the next few games), patten, thrash, dockery (the same template will be followed.. they want him, he is a core redskin..ooops, someone pays him too much for us to match and ..bye-bye),
fauria, yoder (has he done anything ??), collins (only if campbell gets enough games to get a read on his long term abilities... and see my later comment on coaches).... jansen ???? he really needs to prove he is not too old for the position...

special teams
hall, frost (a couple of shanks too many over the remainder of the season)

defense
wynn, daniels, salavea, holdman, wright, rumph, vincent (really shows his age later this year), springs (salary is insane and unless he redoes his deal, say goodbye)

coaches
saunders (by mutual decision), gray, blache (if ron rivera gets a head coaching slot, blache will move to the bears as def coord)
williams ??? might happen if fisher has had enough and leaves tennessee. williams makes more sense under those circumstances. if he goes, then blache gets elevated to def coordinator if he wants the position

offseason needs
corners of all types (clements, draft pick, reserve types)
safety..(if PP does not come back whole)
def end ( 1st round pick? trade down 1st rounder for extra first day picks.. plus at least 1 free agent)
reserve LB through draft or free agency
starting guard (steinbach ? manawai??)..tackle if jansen is through and wade cannot man the position
back up qb if collins goes when saunders goes.. real question is whether gibbs messes with campbell's head the same way he messed with ramsey.. if so plummer, simms, leftwich could get a serious look.. gibbs always likes to have maturity on the bench. plus, a true #3 to develop via the draft or college free agency..
punter
reserve runner if duckett and betts both leave

get the impression there will be wholesale changes ? bet on it if this team finishes under .500 and misses the playoffs.. there is no reason to stand pat with a team that is ageing along both lines and watched the defense flounder all year...if that happens, expect a tumultuous off season...

boy, i'm glad you're not in charge. jansen? are you kidding? who's his replacement that'd cost less and perform better? you do know that stability helps a team and these sprees and massive cuts are part of the problem, right? vincent is making minimum. what other 53 players are going to be on the roster that are more talented and warrant his release? springs salary is insane? are you nuts? he's underpaid due to a history of injuries, even though that's just bitten us. #1 corners ain't cheap, and clements is going to want something close to $7.5mill a year.

and we've had so much luck finding one DE that will let the best 2 we've had in the last few years go with no plan or replacement in sight? btw, we won't have the money to go get clements, a DE, and steinbach, etc etc to replace those cuts.

sorry, but THAT plan needs a lot more work with reality.

[chris36]

why the hell would you dump someone just to dump them without a viable replacement? joe sykes? he's not even NFL backup quality right now, so why would anyone think he could start?

everyone seemed to think Wynn would be gone this year cause of his cap number, but i figured he'd be a shoe-in for the roster (after passing first cut), because he can play. his salary is twice what it should be, but unless there's a very specific reason to dump him, he'll probably be back. You don't just downgrade your roster without a reason, and i don't believe we'd be over cap with other cuts that should be made.

That Guy, have you looked at what Wynn will cost next year. He will cost four million to keep him and one million to get rid of him. I realize that I am not the general manager and certainly not a professional NFL team manager. But it is logical to think that since he is a back up and expensive , he will either play for one million or get cut. There will be much better back ups for four million dollars. We also will be in need of his cap space. As for Joe Skykes, I did not say he would be the replacement, but it is not crazy to think that in his second year with the Redskins he could assume a back role on the roster. As for everyone thinking he would be gone this year, there was no cap benefit to letting him go this year. Read the posts more carefully, and unless you are employed by the NFL stop acting as if you above every one else's opinion.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by chris36

As for everyone thinking he would be gone this year, there was no cap benefit to letting him go this year. Read the posts more carefully, and unless you are employed by the NFL stop acting as if you above every one else's opinion.

sorry, but that's wrong. he would have saved money if he was let go before this season started, and you should really check your information and read posts more carefully before asking me to do the same :P I said "unless there's a very specific reason to dump him" (ie, needing the cap space) but i guess you missed that.

and i'm sorry if i missed the "don't disagree with chris rule" but if there's a flawed arguement presented, then why am i not allowed to question it? should i ask for your approval on every post i make? seriously. I asked why you would downgrade your roster without having a reason to do so, and i get "stop acting like you're above everyone" as a response? what would chris do :P ?