WP: Redskins Targeting London Fletcher, Nate Clements

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

wasn't there a guy from NY who had awesome numbers before he got here at MLB and didn't play a snap for us in a skins uniform... always hurt

MIKE BARROW

I think Fletcher is a much better player than Mike Barrow.

Plus if it turns out that we sign the next Antonio Pierce off the scrap heap this year, I don't think anyone would be bitter about the Fletcher signing.

[MonkFan4Life]

IF the Giants are dumb enough to let Pierce go I will PERSONALLY buy a thank you card and send it to Jerry Reese !

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

3 picks for the 6th overall??

LOL good luck with that one.

you definately can get a late 1st and 2nd. you could work in another pick, like 5th through 7th.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

you definately can get a late 1st and 2nd. you could work in another pick, like 5th through 7th.

Seriously. I think everyone of us would be happy to get a 1,2,4 or 1,2,5 but your idea is way too simplistic and short-sided. SOMEONE HAS TO OFEER US those picks. I hear it all the time around here that we should do this or that when in reality this or that is not easy to do. Or even remotely likely. You have to ask yourself. What are the chances we can make a trade to get those picks? Let's be generous and say 50%. So based on your idea we eschew finding a suitable solution at MLB in free agency and go heading into draft season with more holes than picks and the 50% likely to happen hope that we can swing a deal to get more picks we can use to fill all of those holes. Nevermind that at that point in time the market could be totally dead for trades, or that our obvious holes give leverage to other teams to offer us less, or that even in a perfect world you'd then be relying on a rookie to run the defense. No forget all that and let's take a monumental risk on maybe being able to trade the 6th for 3 decent picks that can fill our holes. I am looking at what the best option is and the best option is to fill a hole when you can fill it. If you can get a guy at a reasonable price to fill a hole then you do it unless you think he can't do the job. The only reason anyone is giving to not get Fletcher is his age and that alone is not a good reason.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Seriously. I think everyone of us would be happy to get a 1,2,4 or 1,2,5 but your idea is way too simplistic and short-sided. SOMEONE HAS TO OFEER US those picks. I hear it all the time around here that we should do this or that when in reality this or that is not easy to do. Or even remotely likely. You have to ask yourself. What are the chances we can make a trade to get those picks? Let's be generous and say 50%. So based on your idea we eschew finidng a suitable solution at MLB in free agency and go heading into draft season with more holes than picks and the 50% likely hope that we can swing a deal to get another pick we can use to fill all of those holes. Nevermind that at that point in time the market could be totally dead for trades, or that our obvious holes give leverage to other teams to offer us less, or that even in a perfect world you'd then be relying on a rookie to run the defense. No forget all that and let's take a chance on maybe being able to trade the 6th for 3 decent picks that can fill our holes. I am looking at what the best option is and the best option is to fill a hole when you can fill it. If you can get a guy at a reasonable price to fill a hole then you do it unless you think he can't do the job. The only reason anyone is giving to not get Fletcher is his age and that alone is not a good reason.

I don't think it's that hard. You find a team that's interested then they have charts they use that translate the relative value of a pick as it relates to other picks and they negotiate from there. A 6th overall might be worth the other team's lower 1st round pick and a 3rd and a 5th (as an example). Then the haggling starts. In that situation the pressure is on the team that wants to move up, IMO.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I don't think it's that hard. You find a team that's interested then they have charts they use that translate the relative value of a pick as it relates to other picks and they negotiate from there. A 6th overall might be worth the other team's lower 1st round pick and a 3rd and a 5th (as an example). Then the haggling starts. In that situation the pressure is on the team that wants to move up, IMO.

Oh so you just take out like a personal ad in the NFL weekly and wait for all the offers to come in huh? I am sure it is that simple.

Ever noticed how move up trades only happen on the day of the draft? That's because no one trades their picks until they have already gone through free agency since free agency changes the entire landscape including what holes you have and what holes other teams have thereby determining what chance you will have to fill your holes in the draft. Again it is way too simplistic and in this case naive to think we can just make a trade like it is no big deal.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Oh so you just take out like a personal ad in the NFL weekly and wait for all the offers to come in huh? I am sure it is that simple.

Ever noticed how move up trades only happen on the day of the draft? That's because no one trades their picks until they have already gone through free agency since free agency changes the entire landscape including what holes you have and what holes other teams have thereby determining what chance you will have to fill your holes in the draft. Again it is way too simplistic and in this case naive to think we can just make a trade like it is no big deal.

I didn't say it was no big deal and I surely didn't suggest taking out any ads. Yes FA comes first. And yes these deals happen very late but they are not that uncommon. Remember when we fleeced Mike Ditka for his whole draft and we still got Champ? Also, I don't ever remeber a draft where Beathard didn't make some trade. Those deals were essential to his approach.

I think it is far more naive, based on this team's recent history to think that we will fill holes through FA or that our scout's are not perfectly capable of drafting a bust with the 6th overall. At least with more picks, their chances of (accidentally and in spite of themselves) choosing a decent player improve somewhat.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I don't think it's that hard. You find a team that's interested then they have charts they use that translate the relative value of a pick as it relates to other picks and they negotiate from there. A 6th overall might be worth the other team's lower 1st round pick and a 3rd and a 5th (as an example). Then the haggling starts. In that situation the pressure is on the team that wants to move up, IMO.

Agreed. Sure you don't show everyone your hand. There will be a major impact player available at #6. Think of it this way, there will be a #1 at most positions on the field available. Maybe MLB, Safety, Dline, etc. Some teams fall in love w/ certain players and think this player will put them over the hump. So we most likely can get good value for the 6th, but if not...

No biggie- we've got a great pick. It just all depends on the FA's, how much cap room we have & how much we rate the players coming out. Do we have enough cap room to sign the 6th pick, a starting mlb (fletcher) and (clements)? W/out looking i would think it might be difficult w/ out some serious restructuring - cuts. Point is we do have some major holes to fill and the FO has to be smart about this.

[#56fanatic]

we seem to be able to swing trades on draft day just fine. Campbell, Rocky the last couple of drafts. There may or may not be teams looking to trade. There are teams every year that have high picks looking for trades to move down, or teams looking to move up to pick that one guy they need. You make it sound like trades on draft day never happen. I am not saying this is what is going to happen. I was asked what scenario I would like to happen, and that is what I would like to see. We need more picks, and trading a very high 1st round pick will definately get us more picks later in the draft. Like I said over and over and over... if we sign Fletcher good, if we dont and draft a guy good. I gave an opinion on what I would do, or would like to see. If we sign fletcher am I going to jump off the roof and quit rooting for my Skins? NO. damn people, you are acting like Vinny just handed over the reigns to me or something. I am going on past records of signing over paid, aging stars, that dont pan out. If we have signed some in the past that actually worked out maybe some of us, ME specifically, would not be so skepticle. Name a aging star we have signed recently that actually worked out.

[Big C]

the lions allowed dre bly to seek a trade (espn). he is from virginia, we should see what they want for him

[dmek25]

too much money, thats want he wants

[Longtimefan]

I would be fine with either or both if they were a DE & DT respectively, that's the area of this defense that needa the most help. I like both players, and mainly because they have both proved to be durable, playing in 16 games each season since they've been in the league. However, a few months ago we all seemed to be in agreement that the time has come for us to turn our offseason attention to something other than high priced FA's. I don't want to go drunk on that concept again. I agree with 56fanatic, this team needs to get younger, and PLAY the youing players we get and not relegate them to the bench and ST's.

[That Guy]

wow, #56, i'm sure glad you'll never run anything related to football.

look at the success rate of 1st round picks to 6th round picks. If you're so dense as to not see the difference in success as a whole, I can't help you, and there won't be many that can.

as for exception, guess what? he WAS NUMBER THREE IN THE LEAGUE in tackles, so he's probably more likely to be good than bad. what's you alternative? sign back lavar and move him to MLB? yeah, that's f'ing hilarious, good luck with that.

YOU DO NOT count on trade downs. yeah the skins seem to be able to swing trades on draft day just fine, but unless you're blind, you'd notice that they tend to be the ones getting ripped off and trading UP, not down.

seriously, which NFL are you watching?

you need to judge players individually, you can't just say, "well they signed bruce smith and he was old and didn't work out, so we should never sign an old guy ever again". that's retarded. at the time those old guys were signed, plenty of people knew they weren't going to be so hot, AND, btw, remember last offseason? you know, when we signed all those YOUNG guys? yeah, how'd that work out?

[vaoutlaws2006]

Throwing millions at a veteran free agent that is just a temporary fix is just plain dumb. sure flectcher might come in here and light things up or maybe just be trottier all over again. I think we should have learned about how screwy signing free agents can be. Most players who are in the last year of a contract allways seem to play a hair better so they can command that big pay day. at 32 i would have to suspect that Fletcher is looking for that one last big huge payday and where else would one go get that??????? Look no further than dan snyder.

[724Skinsfan]

When did 32 become the definitive cut-off point for assessing physical ability for all football players? Darrell Green, Monte Coleman, Ray Brown, (Deion Sanders)...etc didn't seem to suck too bad once they passed 32. You have to take a look at an individual's workout program. If he keeps himself in great shape all year long, chances are he'll play well past 32. Barring a major injury, of course.

This line of thought makes me (age 32) feel like I'm nearing the end. I guess even though last year I ran my fastest mile time and broke my benchpress mark that I can expect that to all come crashing down anyday now. Excuse me while I go checkup on my healthcare plan.